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Post by alpi on Mar 5, 2021 11:06:01 GMT -5
It's "common" behaviour. I mean imc not really struggling with 4 sticks or dr sticks. Not really needs to raise voltage for tightening timings even. (not mentionable ammount) Also most of the cpus can do 1900:3800 I'm nearly sure. The one thing that is matters a lot is the board ! Board and bios. Zen3 is another story. I don't have nay 5000 unfoetunatelly. Prices are too high and I have to buy a board even because I have a C6H and Amd pull out the ground from the 300 series... Zen3 is still in progress. Not even slightly... However the last bioses shows some significant improvements but it's still not the performance level I think. It's a 4x8 combo. 2 Bdie + 2 Nyanya stick.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 5, 2021 11:15:36 GMT -5
I tried so hard to crack 62.2ns with my XT. I might put it back in because I had an epiphany with this 5600X so maybe I can get lower with the XT
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Post by alpi on Mar 5, 2021 11:30:12 GMT -5
Aida is just Aida. Far from being that consistent to be able such sharp comparisons. Scaling to core count, core clocks and even for the mem setup ! You got a lot lower latency with fixed clocks for example and so and so. It's good to check if You are going to the good way or not but not good for too strict comparisons between different configs. Anything at 62-63ns with a Zen2 is superb. You basically measuring mostly your inf.fabric at those heights anyway.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 5, 2021 17:56:33 GMT -5
Aida is just Aida. Far from being that consistent to be able such sharp comparisons. Scaling to core count, core clocks and even for the mem setup ! You got a lot lower latency with fixed clocks for example and so and so. It's good to check if You are going to the good way or not but not good for too strict comparisons between different configs. Anything at 62-63ns with a Zen2 is superb. You basically measuring mostly your inf.fabric at those heights anyway. Sub 60 is always a fun goal. 5000 chips should have no problem with this.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 7, 2021 9:10:05 GMT -5
Any ideas how I can get my latency down ? I have tried stupid speed (4800) and now stupid timings and this is as low as I can go . Must be doing something wrong . You have to run your IF 1:1. You are unlinked..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 19:12:02 GMT -5
You have to run your IF 1:1. Care to explain . I am a beginner at this lol.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 7, 2021 19:34:48 GMT -5
IF is like FSB, on my board they stay paired up until after 1800, then I have to take IF off of auto and match it up to my mem speed. Right now your IF is at 1000mhz instead of 2000.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 19:37:20 GMT -5
For Heaven's sake !!! Why on Earth would someone run 1:1 ?
And you are benching AM4 Ryzen ? You should go back and study more mate.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 19:39:24 GMT -5
IF is like FSB, on my board they stay paired up until after 1800, then I have to take IF off of auto and match it up to my mem speed. Right now your IF is at 1000mhz instead of 2000. Is FCLK so important to yoy ? 4800 / 14 14 tight is important.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 19:42:02 GMT -5
I am obliged to be RUDE here.
If you dont know your stuff, keep silent. Dont give wrong advice.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 7, 2021 19:53:07 GMT -5
Are you talking to me?
I am running my Fclk at 2100, along with my memory. Why wouldn't I want to run it like that?
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 20:03:02 GMT -5
Are you talking to me? I am running my Fclk at 2100, along with my memory. Why wouldn't I want to run it like that? Yes I am talking to you. Reasons 1) Try running FCLK 2100 OR EVEN 1700 under cold and you will get a nasty surprise. NO GO. 2) It is A LOT more productive running very high speed and tight memory than running uncore at 1/2 instead of 1/4. Of course you need srrious board and very high binned sticks and a lot of knowledge to accomplish this. What you do is the easy way with average results and average HW.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 7, 2021 20:12:39 GMT -5
I am not under cold, I am air cooled, so yes, I can, and I am running my FCLK at 2100/2100 right now as we speak. I can go up to 2166 1:1 but I run out of ram at 2133.
Sorry I'm not good enough for you bro. But I am new, and I will do just fine in due time. Thanks for your help.
But instead of chewing me out you could have tried to help the guy, like I tried to.
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Post by Vinster on Mar 7, 2021 20:16:53 GMT -5
When not cold, what's wrong with 1:1:1? I've seen a lot of threads on here that point to that being the suggested.
Vin
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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 7, 2021 20:31:39 GMT -5
Ram is a funny thing on this platform. I need to learn much more. Question: when do you give up speed for timings? Need to know more about this whole 1:1:1 thing too. You're the king of this stuff George, help me out. I'm currently running 3766 @ 13-13-13-28 1T. Can I do better faster and looser?
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 20:36:08 GMT -5
When not cold, what's wrong with 1:1:1? I've seen a lot of threads on here that point to that being the suggested. Vin Vin, There is nothing "wrong". But when you go for some serious benching, you ( me ) look for the max possible score. And that is not done with 1:1;1
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 20:46:30 GMT -5
Ram is a funny thing on this platform. I need to learn much more. Question: when do you give up speed for timings? Need to know more about this whole 1:1:1 thing too. You're the king of this stuff George, help me out. I'm currently running 3766 @ 13-13-13-28 1T. Can I do better faster and looser? Scott, this can't be replied with generalities. First of all it depends on HW. If,hypothetically, we have the best available HW at hand, I need to write 2 pages to explain the whole setup. But a very simple example is : 1) 1:1:1 2100/2100 timings 12-11-11-28-1T super tight. 2) 4600 and above mems, uncore at 1/4, tight mems ( 14-14-14-28) very tight. Solution 2 is the winner. Ryzen on loose timings = crap.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 7, 2021 20:54:11 GMT -5
What kind of ram can do that? Just curious. Mine have a hard time over 1800 12-12-12-29 1.6v The timings you speak of ( ) what kind of voltage does this typically require? Just in case I get brave.. but my ram cost more than my board so.. might have to beat on my other set instead..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 21:20:47 GMT -5
I am lost now ....This is over my head . I am the newbie on this team remember . I try my best but sometime I need help , sorry guys , but that's the way it is .
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 7, 2021 23:44:20 GMT -5
What kind of ram can do that? Just curious. Mine have a hard time over 1800 12-12-12-29 1.6v The timings you speak of ( ) what kind of voltage does this typically require? Just in case I get brave.. but my ram cost more than my board so.. might have to beat on my other set instead.. Not many ram sets can go so high and so tight. I have 2 x sets for which I had paid to "Mica" from Galax 500 USD per set. Pre tested. Intel example - 5000/14-13-13-28-2T At 2.04v Amd example - 4800/14-13-13-28-2T super tight 2.05v on hero dark. And these are NOT the best around. Rauf has a srt doing 5000 on Amd and Alex@ro 5200. Both at around 2.2V.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 0:53:36 GMT -5
I know a little bit more about Graphics so I'll stick with that If anyone feels inclined to explain to me in lay mans terms , I would appreciate it . I just got the 1080ti out , I'll play with that until I can figure the RAM thing out . 1 to 9 dice
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Post by alpi on Mar 8, 2021 12:34:25 GMT -5
For Heaven's sake !!! Why on Earth would someone run 1:1 ? And you are benching AM4 Ryzen ? You should go back and study more mate. What if someone just wants to improve spi32 time for the compo ? Am4 Spi 32 Seems no one knows the 1:1 synced isn't good. Having the best hardware is not the first step for everyone. I wish it was but e.g. for me it's the last, probably what I never will reach. Wasn't really a matter for me btw, I still had a lot of fun. Ocing is a very long, far not straight road. Having experiences is what I really like. Understand the connections, rules and take control over Your setup. What You should do in xoc for best perf. and what You should on ambient has some diffs on Am4. Some of us don't want too much more than a good "daily oc" level, others are top xocers. If You tell what is the fastest, slow ppl will be slow but if we discuss about why it is fast, slow ppl became faster even. (Has some chance at least. )
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 8, 2021 12:54:19 GMT -5
For Heaven's sake !!! Why on Earth would someone run 1:1 ? And you are benching AM4 Ryzen ? You should go back and study more mate. What if someone just wants to improve spi32 time for the compo ? Am4 Spi 32 Seems no one knows the 1:1 synced isn't good. Having the best hardware is not the first step for everyone. I wish it was but e.g. for me it's the last, probably what I never will reach. Wasn't really a matter for me btw, I still had a lot of fun. Ocing is a very long, far not straight road. Having experiences is what I really like. Understand the connections, rules and take control over Your setup. What You should do in xoc for best perf. and what You should on ambient has some diffs on Am4. Some of us don't want too much more than a good "daily oc" level, others are top xocers. If You tell what is the fastest, slow ppl will be slow but if we discuss about why it is fast, slow ppl became faster even. (Has some chance at least. ) I think that I regret spending hours trying to share valuable info. To each his own. George out of this.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Mar 8, 2021 15:54:19 GMT -5
For Heaven's sake !!! Why on Earth would someone run 1:1 ? And you are benching AM4 Ryzen ? You should go back and study more mate. 2700X. Shrimp has no choice. Its locked. That's why.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 17:12:56 GMT -5
Dont go from the thread Geroge . I was hoping you would share some of your excellent RAM knowledge . I am still learning mate and still a hundred miles behind you
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 8, 2021 17:44:05 GMT -5
Dont go from the thread Geroge . I was hoping you would share some of your excellent RAM knowledge . I am still learning mate and still a hundred miles behind you No. Whoever wants info ( and has some basic knowledge to understand ) can pm me. I am fed up. George is out of any advice and thread regarding OC. Waste of time.
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Post by freeagent on Mar 8, 2021 17:48:43 GMT -5
You are fed up because of a comment I made?
Ok, I wont bother you anymore.
Peace and thermal grease.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Mar 8, 2021 18:03:46 GMT -5
You are fed up because of a comment I made? Ok, I wont bother you anymore. Peace and thermal grease. Nope, it is not because of ypu. Peace without whatever else. NOW. People, if you do not mind, I ask you to leave me decide what is best for me and not for you. Respect to all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 18:05:48 GMT -5
OK George , I will leave you be. Peace brother
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Post by Mr.Scott on Mar 8, 2021 18:12:18 GMT -5
Ram is a funny thing on this platform. I need to learn much more. Question: when do you give up speed for timings? Need to know more about this whole 1:1:1 thing too. You're the king of this stuff George, help me out. I'm currently running 3766 @ 13-13-13-28 1T. Can I do better faster and looser? Scott, this can't be replied with generalities. First of all it depends on HW. If,hypothetically, we have the best available HW at hand, I need to write 2 pages to explain the whole setup. But a very simple example is : 1) 1:1:1 2100/2100 timings 12-11-11-28-1T super tight. 2) 4600 and above mems, uncore at 1/4, tight mems ( 14-14-14-28) very tight. Solution 2 is the winner. Ryzen on loose timings = crap. OK. I kinda get it based on this. Knowing that I have mediocre hardware, and what my ram can actually do, I'm about as good as it gets on this setup. If I need any more info, I will message you. Thank you George.
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