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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 20:14:46 GMT -5
Zentimings V1.2.1 is shown to be a requirement for a sub. I had already looked into the comp just to see what it was about and saw it, downloaded the util so I'd have it if I decide to play. View AttachmentThanks for that. this version works with my 5800x.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 16, 2020 20:18:07 GMT -5
Core voltage Vin. Yours looks like it maxed at 1.288v. Which looks accurate for this generation cpu.
So 1.288v sustained 2/4/7 would be the max to run for F@H and whatever clocks you can squeeze from it.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 16, 2020 20:30:00 GMT -5
As long as PBO is set to auto setting it should be fine. If you enable PBO it will shoot voltage to the chip in an attempt to boost your cores and you don't want that. As long as everything is at stock(auto)you should be able to then run a stress test and watch what the voltage drops to after let's say 10 minutes or so. That should be your FIT voltage.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 16, 2020 20:31:19 GMT -5
Yes, mine(3900XT)is at about 1.2
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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 20:37:31 GMT -5
Ah ok.. I'm getting it.. here I let it run for 15 minutes. CPU temp is holding at 71 degrees
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 16, 2020 20:39:34 GMT -5
As long as PBO is set to auto setting it should be fine. If you enable PBO it will shoot voltage to the chip in an attempt to boost your cores and you don't want that. As long as everything is at stock(auto)you should be able to then run a stress test and watch what the voltage drops to after let's say 10 minutes or so. That should be your FIT voltage. You activate PBO = enabled. Sustain clocks Prime95 128k FFT with in-place unchecked. Average cpu v-core is FIT voltage. What I was originally getting at was the amp draw or current. It's not the voltage that hurts the chips, it's the current. To obtain a wattage you calculate voltage and amps. Zilla's (your) Chip at 1.2v would pull 90a which is 108w, the chips default rating.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 20:42:31 GMT -5
now I was reading about a type of gearing mode where I can set the frequency on cores based on load. so if I am only using 1 core it would run a higher frequency.
so 2 or 4 cores I could run 5.0-5.2ghz then 4.8-5.0 at 6 core and then 4.6-4.8 on all core. I saw a good video on figuring out the switching point and setting it.. I need to find taht video again. it was from a low rated youtuber.. was under 10k subs
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 16, 2020 20:48:09 GMT -5
You know you guys can go into Ryzen Master and hit the game mode button. You should be able to increase the default PPT EDC and TDC limits. If the cpu is running cool, it should just go ahead and boost up more often. My 2700X responds very well to that actually from any testing I've done. The default all core ALL auto is 3.8ghz at load. With increasing the PPT EDC and TDC limits, the sustained all core load went to 3975mhz. Some looser at LTT posted something stupid about it.... linustechtips.com/topic/1209418-raising-edc-limit-in-ryzen-master-99-o/
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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 20:52:35 GMT -5
Here is the video that I was talking about
Go to 9:21 for the Dynamic OC Switching mode
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 21:05:09 GMT -5
Just had to do a restore on Win7. Ryzen Master just causes a BSOD when installed.
so no master for me on Win7
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 16, 2020 21:05:15 GMT -5
Here is the video that I was talking about Go to 9:21 for the Dynamic OC Switching mode Vin 11:44 is where he tells you how to set it up.... 90 amps is default for 105w cpu.... Right. This is your main restriction/concern when running all core loads.
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Post by zila1 on Dec 16, 2020 21:13:55 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I got that wrong. PBO to enabled, yes. But I thought you were supposed to leave all other settings at auto or default and then run the stress test?
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Post by zila1 on Dec 16, 2020 21:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 21:32:22 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Dec 16, 2020 21:56:53 GMT -5
Was able to tweak my ram down to CL14. and I was able to run 5ghz on 2 core (disabled 6 cores)
will try that dynamic settings this weekend and see where I end up
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 16, 2020 22:18:46 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I got that wrong. PBO to enabled, yes. But I thought you were supposed to leave all other settings at auto or default and then run the stress test? Yessir, the rest on default. (to find fitness voltage, I guess I went off track a little with mentioning raising EDC and such)
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Post by Bones on Dec 16, 2020 22:40:48 GMT -5
Here Vin, this may be of some use if you're running that on daily. Enable PBO with stock PPT, EDC, and TDC, everything else on auto. Then run Prime95 128k FFT with in-place unchecked and watch the SVI2 TFN sensor. This will be your FIT reading. 2nd sentence lost my ass, that's some major geek for me! And since the quoted post I'm still lost........ I'm just glad someone here understands all of it. Good luck, have fun with it guys.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 16, 2020 23:13:24 GMT -5
2nd sentence lost my ass, that's some major geek for me! And since the quoted post I'm still lost........ I'm just glad someone here understands all of it. Good luck, have fun with it guys. lol. So I was trying to suggest to find out the Fitness v-core of Vinster's Cpu. So when he Folds at Home, he doesn't risk degradation (Even though he's OCed the piss out of it already ) Average Cpu (most modern electronics) life span is about 10 to 11 years. That would be at the processors average rated wattage at load sustain. This stuff you probably already know. The point was to help reduce degradation when he's folding. Then he can leave it running basically worry free, but still gain performance from it. (no matter which way he chooses to get it.)
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Post by zila1 on Dec 17, 2020 15:19:57 GMT -5
Degradation is a definite thing with these newer chips. We have to be careful of over volting these chips. And yeah, it can be confusing at first trying to figure out all of these new chips and boards. The more power and technology there is the more to learn. But no different than previous generations, we had to learn to tweak those too. AMD has brought the fun back into this. That's why I like to buy the best motherboards I can get my hands on and not the cheaper ones. These boards like my CHVII Hero have a full suite of tweaking options in the bios. It can be a real trip going thru it to try and find the settings that you need but that's part of the fun. I love this board. I would love to take a look at Vinster's CHVIII Hero too. When prices get back to normal I may have to bite on one.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 17, 2020 17:46:22 GMT -5
Degradation is a definite thing with these newer chips. We have to be careful of over volting these chips. And yeah, it can be confusing at first trying to figure out all of these new chips and boards. The more power and technology there is the more to learn. But no different than previous generations, we had to learn to tweak those too. AMD has brought the fun back into this. That's why I like to buy the best motherboards I can get my hands on and not the cheaper ones. These boards like my CHVII Hero have a full suite of tweaking options in the bios. It can be a real trip going thru it to try and find the settings that you need but that's part of the fun. I love this board. I would love to take a look at Vinster's CHVIII Hero too. When prices get back to normal I may have to bite on one. It does seem the new chips have much more OC headroom. That's very good and enjoyable!! I love the ROG boards. None better. When I picked up that ROG B450-I, it was a night and day difference over my cheapy B450M-A board. But even the B450M-A had a few tweak options available. FID and DID tweaking I think it was called. (I'd have to look at the old 2700x thread I started to recall that properly)
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Post by zila1 on Dec 17, 2020 17:52:46 GMT -5
Yes Jon, even some of the less expensive boards have some half way decent options in the bios. Especially if you happen to find one of those custom bios like I found for my Prime X370 Pro which unlocked some options in the bios. That worked a treat for the 2700X. That is one board I do not regret buying.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 17, 2020 20:14:14 GMT -5
Yes Jon, even some of the less expensive boards have some half way decent options in the bios. Especially if you happen to find one of those custom bios like I found for my Prime X370 Pro which unlocked some options in the bios. That worked a treat for the 2700X. That is one board I do not regret buying. Right on. I read about boards that had a modded bios for my A320, but never actually found one available to DL.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 18, 2020 13:01:51 GMT -5
Ya, I haven't had Georges luck with OC'ing my CPU just yet. I'm still trying to figure things out. I have noticed that if I just simply increasing my memory voltage beyond 1.4v I do see that I can get a higher CL, but the overall performance isn't scaled like my experience with DDR3. Same with SOC, if I go higher than 1.09v performance also decreases. I need to understand/figure out what setting I need to offset to get better control. Like is is a switching frequency? Frequency amplitude?
for fun, I disabled a few cores and was able to get to 5ghz but that was the highest I could get (trying for SPI and PiFast) but that 5ghz again was a milestone but the performance increase wasn't what I expected.
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 18, 2020 13:13:38 GMT -5
Well...
It is not exactly luck Vin, lol.
Shoot me a pm. I will not unveil all secrets publicly. There are a couple of assholes waving their $$$. No free info for them.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 18, 2020 13:28:07 GMT -5
Well... It is not exactly luck Vin, lol. Shoot me a pm. I will not unveil all secrets publicly. There are a couple of assholes waving their $$$. No free info for them. ya sorry, I know you don't need luck as you are a very capable bencher, I was referring to the CPU being able to get there.
I'll might send you a PM later, I want to see what I can do on my own.
Vin
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 18, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -5
No problem
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Dec 18, 2020 15:39:13 GMT -5
PM George anyways Vin. Take the free pointers, it will greatly benefit you. Pointers I have yet to learn, but dont have the platform, so no need for me to know!!
+100 rep points George!
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Post by zila1 on Dec 18, 2020 18:13:14 GMT -5
George will probably make your eyes pop out of your head. ROFLMAO
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 18, 2020 18:36:06 GMT -5
George is a premium tweaker. We are very lucky to have him here.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Dec 18, 2020 19:41:59 GMT -5
Thank you all for the extremely kind words. I sincerely hope to live up to your expectations.
Thank you.
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