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Post by ozz on Jul 17, 2016 7:32:32 GMT -5
dunno whether ive got a dud or its just me, i did get 4.7 with the g3258 last week when i tried it and that was all i could get, which i thought would've got more ? or whether the cpu is at its limit, but i cant get back there, pete tried today, all he could get was 4.3, i tried again and again and cant get any better, and seems theres something wrong coz cpuz volts say 0.58 to 0.88 no matter what the volts are set in bios, and we tried another cpuz version and came up with the same reading, and it goes in and out of boot cycles, so im buggered if i know, over 12 mths ive been waiting to try this board and cpu out and im pretty disappointed so far, wondering if thats why asus went to the Z97 chipset with the 1150 socket, anyone had this or similar happen with this model board ?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jul 17, 2016 8:27:06 GMT -5
Lost voltage control. Disable EIST reboot and re-enable it.
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Post by ozz on Jul 17, 2016 8:37:04 GMT -5
I said that to pete today scotty after pete went thru everything many times,... i wonder if the voltage set in the bios isnt getting to the cpu because of the way cpuz is showing it ? showing 0.104 in my last sub, when set to 1.5 in the bios, but this is too advanced for me, when i got the board back they put the latest bios on it, its 1603 version,
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Post by ozz on Jul 17, 2016 21:57:07 GMT -5
Lost voltage control. Disable EIST reboot and re-enable it. ok scotty thx, ill try that, n see what happens
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Post by ozz on Jul 18, 2016 0:46:03 GMT -5
this board is as mad as hell, i turned it off last night after subbing, on again to day and tried what you said scotty , disabled EIST, went to boot then enable. i cant even get it to boot into windows after clearing cmos and everything is at stock bios settings, just blue screens, set on legacy, tried EUFI and legacy boot in CSM and boot overide /secure boot, hard drive on 1st boot device, wont even accept last known good configuration, i thought DFI was hard to understand when i 1st saw their bios settings , this thing leaves DFI for dead in that department, DFI is a snack compared to this mutha thing, surely after a cmos clear an the boot devices ares set right itll go into windows but nope, no way for me
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Post by Aleslammer on Jul 18, 2016 8:48:06 GMT -5
I've got a couple boards that default to ACHI on a hard reset and I always use IDE for XP so get a couple of blue screens till I remember to change it in BIOS
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Post by ozz on Jul 18, 2016 18:08:20 GMT -5
yep ales thx man, and thats exactly what it does on a hard reset, i had another look "slower" this time and it was on ACHI, pete actually said that to me on the phone and i said no its on IDE but forgot about the hard reset too lol
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Post by ozz on Jul 18, 2016 18:35:53 GMT -5
@ pete, i just had quick rum thru of about 60 subs for the G3258 and seems to be the Z97 chipset is the flavour as you said to me, gig, asrock, msi, asus are the preferred boards in that order, it seems with only about 6 Z87 chipset boards but still theyre over the 5 gig mark, so im thinkin maybe its either a so so board or cpu or both, but more than likely a so so operator, dunno what im doin wrong
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 6:42:09 GMT -5
dunno whats going on here with this board, i clrd cmos for about 1/2 hr, booted into bios , disabled all the unnecessary crap and ma made sure it was on IDE and hdd 1st boot device, everything else on auto and stock settings, but the bloody thing just wants to boot loop and then stops, so now ive got the cmos jumper on and battery upside down and gunna leave it overnite and have another go 2 morrow, pete has seen how this just decides to go into a boot loop type of thing, then all of a sudden it will boot, got me beat
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 19, 2016 9:14:24 GMT -5
May I help ? Asus motherboards are some of the best, but do not forgive wrong settings. Huge experience on Z77-Z87-Z97-Z170-X99. So, Remove the motherboard from the box, if any. Disconnect ALL peripherals, except HDD, mouse and keyboard. Install one stick of ram in the furthest right slot. Download latest bios and save as in a usb drive not larger than 8gb and formatted under Fat16 or Fat32. Reseat the cpu carefully and check with a magnifying glass for any bent pins. Do not overtighten waterblock. Boot. If it does not, try another ram stick. It will boot, unless the board has an issue. Flash the bios from the usb stick. Reboot and enter the bios. ALL SETTINGS ARE AT DEFAULT. Disable EIST and C-states. ALL OF THEM. Reboot. Set XMP profile. Reboot. If it reboots, shut down and add a second ram stick. Reboot. If it does, shut down and add all four sticks. Reboot. If it does not, you have a faulty mem stick. If it does enter bios. Do not leave any voltage on auto. Vcore manual. Input voltage manual. VccSA manual. Ram 1.65V Adjust your IDE HDD as primary and try to enter windows. Report back. George
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 9:43:23 GMT -5
thx george, the board has not been long back from asus, i bought it about a year ago and noticed it had a broken pin in one corner, i also bought the pentium g3258 around the same time for it, when i had the crossblade ranger issue that had to be replaced from asus because of a faullty socket i asked asus about the maximus V1 hero and he said bring it down with the crossblade, so i did, he replaced the socket in the hero for me and they tried to replace the socket in the crossblade but somehow killed the pcb with too much heat so they replaced the crossblade too, the maximus came back with the latest 1603 bios installed, i emailed asus today and are going to send me another bios chip as i asked if an earlier bios might suit better, so theyre going to find an earlier bios for that chip, install it for me, i can flash the bios chip with my nano programmer but this way ill have a spare bios chip to try other bioses, seems the g3258 cpus like the Z97 chipset over the Z87, i did get 4.7 gig at first but now flat out to 4.4 gig, ram is tridentX 2400 mhz , 2 x 8 gig sticks which ive had no trouble with in the crosshair v , or the original crossblade previously have checked the socket for any damaged pins and condensation as i thought it may have got some condensation in the socket but the foam and vaseline insulation is working well and is all dry, water temp is 4-5 c , cpu @ idle is 13c as i have a probe resting on the side of the ihs plate under the foam pad i can do all you said except the ones ive stated i dont understand what they are or what to do i dont know what fat 16 or 32 is have disabled EIST and C-states not sure about XMP either voltages have been set manually VccSA ...not sure what that is ?, im guessing something to do with a vcore setting ram has been at 1.65-1.7 with no probs HDD set to IDE and 1st boot device
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 19, 2016 11:01:54 GMT -5
Shane,
Every storage device ( HDD, USB stick ) can be formatted ( dot alignment of the storage space ), in several formats. Most modern storage devices are formatted by default in NTFS ( NT File system ). While in windows in any computer, insert a USB stick ( flash drive ) in a USB 2.0 port ONLY. Not bigger than 8gb and USB 2.0 type only. Right click on its icon and click format. In the properties choose FAT32, not NTFS, NOT eXFat. Format. After the format, copy-paste the bios file ONLY to the flash drive.
Enter the bios of the Maximus. Choose bios update. You will enter a screen where you will see the bios file in the flash drive. Select it. Update bios. That is it.
Memory. While in main settings page in bios, you have the possibility to choose from a drop down menu, how the board sees the mems. Manual, auto or XMP. XMP is the intergraded profile that most modern memories have, preset from the factory, for compatibility reasons. XMP profile is approved by Intel. Choose it and reboot. VccSA us the System agent voltage. It is the voltage from the IMC controller for the memories. Usually a value of 1.15-1.20V is more than enough if you do not overclock memory or you do not go super-tight on timings.
Give it a shot. Hard to believe that the bios chip is damaged. You would have a b4 error debug, followed by 00 and then C4. And of course a blank screen. Have you tried to clean the rear side of the cpu VERY CAREFULLY with pure alcohol ?
How much voltage are you feeding the core and how much is the total VccIN ? How are your temperatures under CBR15 ?
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 16:41:49 GMT -5
ok george thx mate ill give it a go i dont think the bios chip is faulty, ive got another one coming with a earlier bios installed to try it out i have seen the 00 and the number 4 errors come up previously then they went away after turning off and restart i dont have pure alcohol but ive cleaned the cpu with methylated spirits which is basically 95% isopropyl alcohol and acetone Vcore voltage has been no more than 1.5 v, usually 1.4 - 1.45v, VccIN has been on auto i havent tried CB R15 as yet ive been on XP or had any temp software installed to check, all ive had is the probe to my multimeter resting on the side of the ihs plate which reads around the 10c - idle and 13 - 15 c when in windows when i did 3MARK01 subs, which is 55-60 f with a ice water temp readng 4-6c in the reservoir i was reading around what VccA and VccIN is and i came across this in the rog forum, which i found very interesting, unfortunately the maximus V1 hero board doesnt have then LN2 button that i can see, the maximus VI extreme does, also the crossblade ranger and the crosshair V does, , that red button switch for LN2 mode rog.asus.com/9972013/maximus-motherboards/maximus-vi-extreme-beats-the-2v-cap-on-intel-haswell-fivr/
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 19, 2016 17:25:09 GMT -5
LN2 switch is totally useless in that case. To have a full picture - Is the system working AT ALL or it stalls at some point.
Reason - With your temperatures and 1.50V even the worst G3258 should be easily doing 4.8ghz, Prime stable 1344 small FFT's.
Is the socket well insulated ? Do you have any condensation problems ?
So far, all clues lead me to one specific thought. CPU, memory and possibly pci-e sockets. Something somewhere is not making good contact.
Hardware does not have ghosts. It can't give you 00 and then on reboot nothing.
Take a hair dryer and dry EVERYTHING at least for ten minutes. Reseat everything and have a go.
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 17:35:26 GMT -5
im also having crazy voltage readings in cpuz, ill try to attach a pic , when i spoke to oasis he said download asus rog cpuz and see if there was any difference in the readings but nope theyre the same, i did r&r the water block and checked for condensation twice and couldnt see 1 bit of condensation in the socket or socket area, the system works but it goes into like a boot loop thing trying to get into bios and windows then all of a sudden after say the 3rd-4th itll boot into bios or windows then once in windows you can you can hit reset and go straight into bios dont know how to tell but the 1st pcie slot seems to be working ok, ive run 3DMARK01 for team cup with a couple of different gpus already, sometimes those cpuz voltage readings are as low as 0.32, 0.54. 0.55. 0.74. 0.88 v then all of a sudden theyll jump up ti whats you see in the screeny or 0.134v, its crazy, even tho the bios vcore is set to 1.4 to 1.5 v
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 19, 2016 17:46:18 GMT -5
One picture is worth 1000 words. Problem tracked down. DMI/SMbus info inaccurate. PCH controller partially damaged, board can't read and coordinate voltages correctly and goes nuts. Board needs to be replaced under warranty. Any further use of the board is detrimental to the life of the cpu. Sorry for the bad news Shane
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 17:56:02 GMT -5
yesterday i went thru over 200 bot subs to find only about 6 or so G3258 using the Z87 chipset in asus boards and came across this which has been similar to my cpuz reading at different times and this guy is at 5.6 on water, good chip yes but i dont get the cpuz voltage read out, admittedly its a gene board not a hero but still the cpuz voltage is reading crazy like mine is hwbot.org/submission/2591032_lau_kin_lam_cpu_frequency_pentium_g3258_5608.72_mhz/im wondering if i look in the bios in the voltage monitor section where it shows all the motherboard voltages if 1 or more of them will be fluctuating ? i havent really taken a lot of notice of that, ive only noticed they are all a little above what theyre rated to be as i had the problem with low voltages when the evga psu was playing up b4 it went bang blew up and they sent me a new one, now i have the enermax platinum 1350 psu in it and havent had a drama with low voltage readings from the psu side of things
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 19:05:22 GMT -5
dont know if theres a teller in here but checked the voltage readings in hardware monitor under the voltage monitor core voltage 1.136 stable cpu cache V + 1.176-1.179 fluctuates sys agent V +0.967 - 0.976 ""'"""""""""" cpu analog I/O V +1.002-1.006 """"""""""" cpu digital I/O V +1.015 -1.022 """""""""" cpu input V +1.696 stable dram V +1.517 -1.523 fluctuates ich V +1.059 - 1.062 """"""""""""" 3.3 V +3.376 stable 5V +5.040 - 5.080 fluctuates 12V 12.288 stable cpu temp 14-15c idle motherboard temp 26c-27c idle just as i was writing the cpu amd mobo temps it just shut down out of the bios on its own and rebooted to stop on 4F error and led error read out is flickering all over the place now lol, goes into bios then shuts out of bios to either nothing or tries to boot back in again
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 19, 2016 19:22:12 GMT -5
I am out of ideas
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 19:41:26 GMT -5
One picture is worth 1000 words. Problem tracked down. DMI/SMbus info inaccurate. PCH controller partially damaged, board can't read and coordinate voltages correctly and goes nuts. Board needs to be replaced under warranty. Any further use of the board is detrimental to the life of the cpu. Sorry for the bad news Shane i wondering george whether the PCH controller is connected to the cpu socket ? if so and it gets its readings fron the cpu in the socket whether there is a bad solder connection when they replaced the cpu socket as when i first got it back and booted it up with the G3258 it got to 4.7 gig with everything on auto except voltage to 1.4, dram 1.65-1.7, fsb at 100 and upped the multi to 43 i think then upped the fsb a little and got 4.7, its deteriorated to 4.3 4.4 since then but did have the silly cpuz voltage readings from the start when i got it back
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 19:45:42 GMT -5
I am out of ideas i got an idea.....its goin back to ASUS , i cant whinge at asus there , they replaced the socket for me and knowing how he works im sure hes gunna want it back to sort it out, hes a fair dinkum bloke
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 19, 2016 20:24:13 GMT -5
I am out of ideas i got an idea.....its goin back to ASUS , i cant whinge at asus there , they replaced the socket for me and knowing how he works im sure hes gunna want it back to sort it out, hes a fair dinkum bloke8-) BRAVO !!!
They are responsible for heaven's sake. Why bust your balls ? And by all means it is not a cheap motherboard. We do not want further implications Shane, do we ?
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 20:37:54 GMT -5
i got it in 2015, it had a faulty socket and my intention was to get it repaired, in hind sight, a Z97 chipset wouldve served me better, but the maximus gene sounds like a ballsy board, ill see what asus comes back with and go from there, thats all i can do atm, as whats happening here with it is only going to do more damage as you stated, its the only 1150 socket board and cpu ive got, i appreciate the time and effort yourself and everyone else has put in to try help me sort this issue out but seems to me the problem is a deep seated one that only asus can fix, if not ill see if i can get the gene model, im not sure what the best Z87 chipset model was in the maximus line
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Post by ozz on Jul 19, 2016 20:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 20, 2016 0:37:52 GMT -5
They still are. Even in the current line-up of Z170 boards ( leaving aside the very high priced Maximus VIII Extreme ), Formula and Impact are the best.
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2016 0:55:03 GMT -5
They still are. Even in the current line-up of Z170 boards ( leaving aside the very high priced Maximus VIII Extreme ), Formula and Impact are the best. the only thing i dont like is theyre a mini atx, dunno why i dont like minis, just dont seem like a ballsy board to me (to look at anyway) but ive never had 1 so i dont know, i was pretty impressed with the V1 hero overall too, it was up in the top ten in quite a few of their tests.... pity mines a dud , 2 bios chips are on their way now, the reason i think he wanted to send me bios chips is coz with the crossblade i had 2 bios chip fail 1 after the other, board went back twice, the 3rd time i took it down and then they found the socket to be faulty as well not giving dual channel memory, which was the original problem, havent even tried the new crossblade yet, i was hoping for better outcomes from this thing
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2016 8:50:59 GMT -5
gotta be something wrong with the socket that was replaced on this board, i stripped it down to recheck everything, now it has no 1st and 2nd ram slots working, 3rd red and 4th black slot boot straight up, changed ram to check and did the same thing, same deal basically as to what happened to the crossblade ranger, no dual channel and it was the socket, im bloody well over it
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 20, 2016 9:05:04 GMT -5
When IMC loses one or more ram channels, it is socket or bent pin or the cpu itself. Try another cpu or borrow one from Pete to rule out the cpu option.
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2016 9:46:15 GMT -5
ill pull it apart again tomorrow and have another look around for the 6th time, im over it for 1 day, pete was gunna bring 4790 K cpu over i think he said to try it out and he can take my g3258 with him to try in his board and see what it does in a known good board, i was just lookin at the EVGA Z87 & Z97 classified boards, not bad lookin gear at all
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jul 20, 2016 11:20:20 GMT -5
More than 10 Z97 boards crossed my hands. You will be surprised, but the most reliable, problem free and efficient was the MSI Z97 MPower Max. Kept it 2 years and when I put it for sale locally, it sold in an hour. The guy said - Kiss you brother, looking for one three months now. Very stable and robust board.
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