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Post by ozz on Apr 11, 2017 1:07:50 GMT -5
add your own if you wish 6000+ windsor 125w_____Soldered, not sure about the 89w windsor, my guess its not coz of the lower wattage, i know the 6000+ 89w brisbane is NOT soldered
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 11, 2017 1:10:31 GMT -5
The 89W Windsor is also not soldered. 6000+ and 6400+ 125W chips where the only ones soldered.
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Post by ozz on Apr 11, 2017 1:11:50 GMT -5
6000+ Brisbane 89w __________ NOT soldered
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 11, 2017 1:19:57 GMT -5
FX-9590 Soldered
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Post by ozz on Apr 11, 2017 1:22:15 GMT -5
The 89W Windsor is also not soldered. 6000+ and 6400+ 125W chips where the only ones soldered. yeah thx shrimpy , obviously the solder was used to help dissipate the heat the higher wattage causes
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Post by ozz on Apr 11, 2017 1:47:12 GMT -5
APU-A8-5500K_____NOT soldered
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 12, 2017 0:41:13 GMT -5
Athlon II 250 regor Not soldered.
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Post by ozz on Apr 12, 2017 1:42:12 GMT -5
Opteron 165__________Not Soldered
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Apr 12, 2017 13:31:34 GMT -5
A8-3850 Not soldered.
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Post by ozz on Jun 29, 2017 21:11:38 GMT -5
LE 1250 Sempron not soldered
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Post by obscureparadox on Aug 4, 2017 12:52:25 GMT -5
pretty much all athlon 64s are not soldered except for the 125w models as far as I'm aware
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 8, 2017 1:04:03 GMT -5
pretty much all athlon 64s are not soldered except for the 125w models as far as I'm aware See 2nd post Johan @ OCF has de-lidded a soldered 3800+ if memory serves me today. Athlon 5000 & 5200 (Phenom/FX-unlocker 2GI) are soldered processors. To be technical they are not (+) models either.
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Post by ozz on Sept 11, 2018 1:32:45 GMT -5
7870K soldered doubled chipped as well, obviously 1 for the cpu and gpu
be warned, if youre gunna try delidding one of these well good luck, the normal delidding process with the 7 series APU just doesnt work , the solder is so piss weak the fucking pins drop out, and the chip cracks, all i did was have my heat gun on low until the ihs plate popped like ive always done, razor each side with a weight on them to pop the lid when the solder is melted to release the ihs plate which it did, ( a pair of pliers and a shifting spanner the other side on the razor blades) then i saw the chip was cracked, jesus , they cant take heat well, amd seems now is even compromising the solder quality to save money for the pins to drop out like that, never had this happen b4 on what ever amd soldered cpu ive delidded, anyway, never liked this cpu from the start, was a dud, on and upwards but rethinking on amd for sure
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Sept 11, 2018 19:12:16 GMT -5
The pins dropping out isnt new thats why Jon has them sitting on a aluminium heatsink to try and pull some heat out of the pins.
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Post by ozz on Sept 12, 2018 1:25:53 GMT -5
The pins dropping out isnt new thats why Jon has them sitting on a aluminium heatsink to try and pull some heat out of the pins. pete it had bugga all heat on it, i reckon the heat gun , on low setting ( and i made sure it was on low) was on it for no more than 15 secs and the lid popped off cleanly
ive delidded a few amd cpus and never had this happen where the pins fell out and the chip cracked, im not worried anyway, i never liked the bloody thing from the start, it was just an average performer i reckon
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Post by obscureparadox on Oct 3, 2018 8:12:21 GMT -5
7870K soldered doubled chipped as well, obviously 1 for the cpu and gpu
be warned, if youre gunna try delidding one of these well good luck, the normal delidding process with the 7 series APU just doesnt work , the solder is so piss weak the fucking pins drop out, and the chip cracks, all i did was have my heat gun on low until the ihs plate popped like ive always done, razor each side with a weight on them to pop the lid when the solder is melted to release the ihs plate which it did, ( a pair of pliers and a shifting spanner the other side on the razor blades) then i saw the chip was cracked, jesus , they cant take heat well, amd seems now is even compromising the solder quality to save money for the pins to drop out like that, never had this happen b4 on what ever amd soldered cpu ive delidded, anyway, never liked this cpu from the start, was a dud, on and upwards but rethinking on amd for sure
it should be a single chip if you remove the indium layer. They used 2 strips of indium though
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 3, 2018 18:46:39 GMT -5
The pins dropping out isnt new thats why Jon has them sitting on a aluminium heatsink to try and pull some heat out of the pins. pete it had bugga all heat on it, i reckon the heat gun , on low setting ( and i made sure it was on low) was on it for no more than 15 secs and the lid popped off cleanly
ive delidded a few amd cpus and never had this happen where the pins fell out and the chip cracked, im not worried anyway, i never liked the bloody thing from the start, it was just an average performer i reckon
Also use a mini torch to direct heat only to the center of the ihs plate. I recon the hair dryer has a much broader outlet of heat capable of evenly heating the entire chip opposed to the ihs plate only. Yep, ive melted pins off Shane. Thats where I set out to sink them. I hold the pcb of the processor with a model vice while clipping vice grips to the ihs plate. The vice clamped only tight enough to hold the weight of the vice grips or the pcb will bend once it warms up. Yes, Ive bent pcb also. No damage as the curve was small.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 3, 2018 19:08:00 GMT -5
FX-4300. It run sub zero from the box since day one.
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 15, 2018 16:52:10 GMT -5
FX-4300. It run sub zero from the box since day one. How far were you getting that Zambezi in clocks?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 15, 2018 17:51:02 GMT -5
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 20, 2018 7:50:00 GMT -5
Nice, you were trying to stay below 32F. I did read that earlier in the year. I may try a Peltier and have a breaker system put in place to cut power if it hits a Temperature or current too high.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 20, 2018 18:12:20 GMT -5
Yes that was the goal. It was a fuun experiment. Still have the Tech. I think it could be practicle with lower class Ryzen processors in the low tdp class. Would very easily keep my Ryzen 1400 frozen if the peltier cooling was adequate.
It would be proper to invest in a 15v power supply however. Peltiers can easily kill a pc psu.
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 26, 2018 14:17:33 GMT -5
Yes that was the goal. It was a fuun experiment. Still have the Tech. I think it could be practicle with lower class Ryzen processors in the low tdp class. Would very easily keep my Ryzen 1400 frozen if the peltier cooling was adequate. It would be proper to invest in a 15v power supply however. Peltiers can easily kill a pc psu. Gotta 1250 Gold here 1250X XM2 based unit, it runs 1 pcie connector for the gpu fine lol
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 26, 2018 15:31:32 GMT -5
The Tec I used made the wires hot on my 1000w antec cp series. The load is no joke. Be aware of fire hazard.
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Post by eidairman1 on Oct 31, 2018 14:22:06 GMT -5
The Tec I used made the wires hot on my 1000w antec cp series. The load is no joke. Be aware of fire hazard. Currebt draw was on edge for you then
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 31, 2018 19:02:53 GMT -5
Unregulated the TEC will pull max current. 30 amp rails get hot.
The lower the voltage output the more amps the TEC will draw.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 1, 2018 9:03:46 GMT -5
For that current you need 2 6pin Graphics card plugs connected to it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 1, 2018 16:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Nov 1, 2018 18:27:45 GMT -5
my take on it...
Current goes up if you under volt a tec (anything really) could easily underestimate current draw... if you need 10 amps, at 15V you would draw 10amp.. but at 12V you'll draw more like 11-13amp+... just to use some numbers...
also I'd never use the same PSU that is running the PC to pull a tec. just asking for trouble. droop the 12v because of the tec draw and pull the PSU down and could let the magic smoke out of many parts...
dedicated PSU is a good plan/investment.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 1, 2018 20:44:38 GMT -5
Depending on the TEC (I always used the coldest 136w @ 40mm sq) , would only need 2 to kill a 500w psu if of not good quality, probably not many hours of run time.
So with a 136w TEC at 12v is ok. Its just most power supplies are only 80% at a peak output.
In order to get hot cables, you need to draw near rated amps. And thats what the TEC does.
Running a PC with a 45w TEC or maybe even a 65w TEC would be ok if the PSU has the capacity.
But even still the draw at the wall will be less with a 15v PSU.
Fun stuff.
We could get into mathmatics on the subject while discussing deltas and such.
Yes I've run TEC on naked die (to stay on topic a little), you still need to plate it though. I used a variety of plates not any of which where a stockihs plate.
Water loops, stacking TECs the whole 9 yards.
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