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Post by austin86 on Jul 29, 2023 15:07:57 GMT -5
well this is interesting, the 48bit LBA support is buggy on the AS8. if I put a bigger drive in the system it take ages to post and access to the drive is supper slow. I'll have to swap the 160gb raptors with 74 or 80gb models.
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Post by eidairman1 on Jul 31, 2023 7:49:12 GMT -5
well this is interesting, the 48bit LBA support is buggy on the AS8. if I put a bigger drive in the system it take ages to post and access to the drive is supper slow. I'll have to swap the 160gb raptors with 74 or 80gb models. Be interesting if the bios could be fixed for that
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Post by austin86 on Jul 31, 2023 8:32:20 GMT -5
well this is interesting, the 48bit LBA support is buggy on the AS8. if I put a bigger drive in the system it take ages to post and access to the drive is supper slow. I'll have to swap the 160gb raptors with 74 or 80gb models. Be interesting if the bios could be fixed for that I thought so too, but I tried the newest bios and it did not fix it. The drives can work in the system, but anything over 128gb will make the system hang for 5 or so minutes at post and the drives are supper slow in the OS. I might play about with bios modding to see what I can do, also 65mn P4's like the 661 do not work in the board, I'll see if some bios modding can fix that too.
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Post by eidairman1 on Jul 31, 2023 8:44:07 GMT -5
Be interesting if the bios could be fixed for that I thought so too, but I tried the newest bios and it did not fix it. The drives can work in the system, but anything over 128gb will make the system hang for 5 or so minutes at post and the drives are supper slow in the OS. I might play about with bios modding to see what I can do, also 65mn P4's like the 661 do not work in the board, I'll see if some bios modding can fix that too.
Im thinking that, maybe compare that bios to another like board in the lineup (not as8 but another)
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Post by austin86 on Jul 31, 2023 9:03:07 GMT -5
I thought so too, but I tried the newest bios and it did not fix it. The drives can work in the system, but anything over 128gb will make the system hang for 5 or so minutes at post and the drives are supper slow in the OS. I might play about with bios modding to see what I can do, also 65mn P4's like the 661 do not work in the board, I'll see if some bios modding can fix that too.
Im thinking that, maybe compare that bios to another like board in the lineup (not as8 but another) That was my plan, something like the AA8 board from abit.
I did read that some motherboard makers had to make a bios patch for 3rd gen raptor drives. But that would not explain why all larger drives I plug into the system have problems. My bet is that 48bit LBA support is buggy, but give the AS8 is from 2004/05 I would think it wouldn't have that problem.
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Post by george on Jul 31, 2023 19:32:19 GMT -5
Frankly, if building a retro rig, storage wise , there must be a better solution than doing it with any raptor raid drives for the rig. It is just a lot of heat and noise, and rig is not going end up in a museum anyway. But all on its own.
I rebuilt a yr 2004 "high end" system, made a RAID-0, with old HDD's, and yes that worked, but think I'd never try that again.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 1, 2023 8:11:21 GMT -5
Frankly, if building a retro rig, storage wise , there must be a better solution than doing it with any raptor raid drives for the rig. It is just a lot of heat and noise, and rig is not going end up in a museum anyway. But all on its own.
I rebuilt a yr 2004 "high end" system, made a RAID-0, with old HDD's, and yes that worked, but think I'd never try that again. I get that, they do run hot and a SSD would be better but I'm trying to keep the system 100% period correct. TBh I have the system running on a 128gb ssd as of now and I might keep it as such But IDK, the idea of raptors is appealing to me .
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Post by austin86 on Aug 2, 2023 8:54:35 GMT -5
OK, I got the last of the parts I ordered last night sadly the UV green sata cables I got were to short. I also need to make or buy a 4pin fan extension cable. Since I been clearing out more of my PC parts I found a asus 925x board I may swap over too, if I recall 925x chipset has 9x support and I'm guessing the raptors will work fine on it.I"ll play with it a little and see how it works, otherwise I'll be keeping the as8
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Post by austin86 on Aug 9, 2023 8:56:36 GMT -5
OK so I installed the rubber fan gasket on the evercool wc-202 5.25 bay rad cooler and boy did it make a difference, now there is air going through the rad, its also a lot more quite too.
I'll try and get photos and more updates on the build later this week, I was working almost a full 24hr last Sunday/Monday and was sick yesterday so I not been up to working on the system much.
Also I got a PCIe GPU, a point of view 9800gt, this is a 55mn low power card. I was going to get a 8800gt but that hard pulled a lot of power and the 9800gt is more or less a updated die shrunk 8800 anyway.
I'll lose most win9x support whit the card, but the games I play that need 98 will play fine on a 9800 with a universal basic driver. I also wanted a card with a black PCB.
Also encase I forgot to say it, I'm swapping the AS8 for a asus p5ad2 premium
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Post by austin86 on Aug 10, 2023 8:38:18 GMT -5
I played around with the board last night, boy does the chip set and VRM run toasty hot. I put some better thermal compound on the two. I'll have to put a fan on the chipset and find away to better cool the VRM
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Post by eidairman1 on Aug 10, 2023 18:46:13 GMT -5
Frankly, if building a retro rig, storage wise , there must be a better solution than doing it with any raptor raid drives for the rig. It is just a lot of heat and noise, and rig is not going end up in a museum anyway. But all on its own.
I rebuilt a yr 2004 "high end" system, made a RAID-0, with old HDD's, and yes that worked, but think I'd never try that again. I get that, they do run hot and a SSD would be better but I'm trying to keep the system 100% period correct. TBh I have the system running on a 128gb ssd as of now and I might keep it as such But IDK, the idea of raptors is appealing to me . SATA SSDs
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Post by Vinster on Aug 10, 2023 20:23:44 GMT -5
SSD's are small, ever though of gutting a raptor and putting the SSD inside it.. it would look correct, but be bad ass..
Vin
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Post by austin86 on Aug 11, 2023 8:42:17 GMT -5
SSD's are small, ever though of gutting a raptor and putting the SSD inside it.. it would look correct, but be bad ass.. Vin I done that before, you can actually buy knock off 3.5" bay adapters for 2.5' ssd that look just like the velociraptor cooler
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Post by eidairman1 on Aug 12, 2023 19:09:16 GMT -5
SSD's are small, ever though of gutting a raptor and putting the SSD inside it.. it would look correct, but be bad ass.. Vin I have a 840 pro and a velociraptor from 2014. My case does have 3.5 adapters. SATA for sure helps with thermals. The 840 pro seems to sit around HDD temps unlike the nvme drives.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 14, 2023 8:12:26 GMT -5
Been playing around with the build, I chose not to pin mod the 65mn chip, most of the info out there is for core2 and not Cedar Mill. I'll see if I can find a 975x board or a EE for cheap.
On a side note the system is running a lot hotter with the 925xe board and I don't get it. I have just the P4 in the loop right now and its running 15~20c hotter then it was with the AS8 and 6800u. Even the CPU blocks mounting hardware is getting hot. The chipset is so hot its burns to touch, yet the rad is coolish. I thought I had a bad block mount but no. IDK what it is about the 925x but it sure runs the CPU hotter then the AS8, even the VRMs are supper hot compared to the AS8
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Post by MachineLearning on Aug 14, 2023 10:11:27 GMT -5
Been playing around with the build, I chose not to pin mod the 65mn chip, most of the info out there is for core2 and not Cedar Mill. I'll see if I can find a 975x board or a EE for cheap. On a side note the system is running a lot hotter with the 925xe board and I don't get it. I have just the P4 in the loop right now and its running 15~20c hotter then it was with the AS8 and 6800u. Even the CPU blocks mounting hardware is getting hot. The chipset is so hot its burns to touch, yet the rad is coolish. I thought I had a bad block mount but no. IDK what it is about the 925x but it sure runs the CPU hotter then the AS8, even the VRMs are supper hot compared to the AS8 Maybe just due to the sheer volume of chips on that board, all generating heat. Not one square inch is empty there. lol
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Post by george on Aug 14, 2023 21:18:11 GMT -5
well, there you have it, raptors also create a fair amount of temps inside the case, so good to check there is an even air flow for air in, and out. I guess you already re pasted the chips/sinks that could be done.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 15, 2023 8:17:29 GMT -5
well, there you have it, raptors also create a fair amount of temps inside the case, so good to check there is an even air flow for air in, and out. I guess you already re pasted the chips/sinks that could be done. I have SSD in the system now, the GPU would not fit with the 925x board with the PCIE slot being up higher then the AS8. I also have the side panels and front of the case off right now. I also have a 4600rpm delta fan on the rad and 2 3k rpm case fans so air flow is good.
Maybe just due to the sheer volume of chips on that board, all generating heat. Not one square inch is empty there. lol That was my thought, the VRM in the AS8 was far more spread out and the 865 is a cooler chipset. I put a fan on the 925 chipset and the cpu temps dropped by about 2c. So maybe heat is coming in from other parts ? IDK
I'm going to do some more testing, the lack of heat coming form the rad and high temps when just powered on tells me something is wrong. Maybe the pump in the evercool wc202 is to weak. IDK
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Post by austin86 on Aug 16, 2023 8:41:49 GMT -5
Ok now I'm lost. I installed XP on the system (was running 9x) and the temps in both the OS and bios dropped by a lot. even in 9x... IDK what changed but I'll take it. now the CPU ideals at 44c and loads at 57c.
But now I have a dilemma, CPUz shows the CPU is at 2940mhz and the FBS is 210mhz. for context I'm running at 1066mhz or 266 at and x14 multi. But the Asus AI tool and every other tool and the OS shows 3.73ghz. I'll have to fittle around with the drivers and bios settings to see whats it truly is running at.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 21, 2023 8:24:37 GMT -5
After playing with the system all weekend I found the pump in the evercool WC-202 to be to week for the GTZ and MCW82 and the 80mm and the chocked off 80mm in the bay pump thingy was not able to cool the 660 even at stock. Last night I cut up the case so I could put a 120mm rad in the case and will be using a much stronger pump. I hope its a better setup as there is no going back now. The temps on the 660 with the evercool wc-202 was 50c idle and 61c load, not too bad for a 660 but once the GPU is added things would get rather toasty. Here's hoping the 120mm helps. As for the evercool wc-202 pump/rads, I'll use them with my 440bx benching setup once I get to benching it.
I'll try to get photos of the build tonight
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 21, 2023 13:01:18 GMT -5
The main part is you got to play with it all wekend!
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Post by austin86 on Aug 21, 2023 22:32:08 GMT -5
The main part is you got to play with it all wekend! lol I swapped the wc202 pump/rad and the 80mm rad for a 120mm and dc12 pump. the p4 660 is now idling at 38c and loading at 47c at 3.73ghz. talk about a major drop in temps.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Aug 22, 2023 2:42:35 GMT -5
If it was me I would be disposing of that 660 and getting a 661 Cedarmill also a 965p or i975 board you will never look back.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 22, 2023 8:15:17 GMT -5
If it was me I would be disposing of that 660 and getting a 661 Cedarmill also a 965p or i975 board you will never look back. I have a 661 but it needs to be pin modded to work in my board. Same for Conroe, Smithfield and Presler. I know what pins need shorted and disconnected on Conroe but not Cedarmill, Smithfield and Presler. I'm keeping my eye out for a cheap Asus P5WD2-e, but I'm trying to stay away from spending money on PC anymore so unless if I find a dirt cheap one I'll stick to the 660 and 925xe .
But I might just grab something like a e6600 or e4600 and pin mod it.
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Post by austin86 on Oct 3, 2023 8:32:53 GMT -5
I have not forgotten this build. I had to swap out the motherboard has the Asus ran to hot. Ill try to get some updates latter this week. Also the sound card sucks
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Post by austin86 on Oct 10, 2023 8:54:58 GMT -5
I had some family trouble so I was not able to get anything done on the system. I'll try to get around to it this week.
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Post by Vinster on Oct 10, 2023 20:43:41 GMT -5
This is your build, you don't owe us any explanations. RL is 1st.
Just hope what-ever it is isn't too serious and ho[e everything it or will be OK
Vin
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Post by austin86 on Oct 13, 2023 9:12:33 GMT -5
Just hope what-ever it is isn't too serious and ho[e everything it or will be OK More annoying then anything. They're stating to make me want to move over seas to be with my inlaws full time 😂
I should have time to work on this system this weekend. It's more or less done but I have a few small things that I need to do to it. I need to put a little bit more anti kink coil on the tubing and maybe move the res.
I swapped the board out, and put a 9800gt the system, one of the low powered models without the 6 pin, I have windows xp on it, a core2 and two SSDs in raid. I also painted a blue ray drive beige to match the case.
I might swap the PSU tho. I have a rather old PSU in the system.
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Post by austin86 on Oct 16, 2023 8:31:01 GMT -5
i.ibb.co/Jcd04bc/IMG-1332.jpgi.ibb.co/0BxCSPs/IMG-1333.jpgi.ibb.co/sw7ZZHn/IMG-1334.jpgIts about time I posted photos of the system lol. The single 120mm keeps the system somewhat cool. its only needing to cool a 65w CPU and 75w GPU so its not too bad. I'll get temps and some lite benches later this week. The system turned out rather odd TBH. What was suppose to be a 440bx system with a TnT ended up a core2 system. The bx board I ha needed a recap, I then put my Abit as8 in the system but that board kicked the bucket, I then put a 925xe bard in the system but it was supper hot then I was like just shove a core 2 in it. So here are the specks e8500. 2gb 1066 ddr2 cl5. point of view 9800gt 1gb. SBlive: for the game port header. Auzen X-Fi Bravura: Witch sucks TBH. Its a buggy card and sounds horrible. 2 240gb SSD in raid. OZC 520w PSU. windows xp.
All I have left to do is to install the UV CCLF's. I kinda lost the cable to it lol.
However I do have a few small things I'd like to do with the system. I should swap the PSU too and I want to find a better sound card, the Auzen Bravura stucks, its supper buggy, the sound drops at time and I have to reboot the system to fix it, it also has a very odd sounding output, bass is supper distorted at times. I think it all software and not the hardware. I'll play around with drivers but I might grab a planeJane X-fi and a DAC but IDK.
I also need to find away to hide the 5/25 bay res. but those are all little things.
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Post by Vinster on Oct 16, 2023 21:04:06 GMT -5
that's looking good.
for the audio card, can you get your hands on a Sound Blaster Live card? Drivers for those went to shit once Win7 dropped. if you're staying earlier than that it would do great.
for the PSU, is yours the 450 or 520w? I'd think 450-500w would be more than enough. GPU doesn't need a 6 pin, if it did, then I'd guess you'd need a 600-650w.
Vin
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