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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 3, 2023 12:44:06 GMT -5
My 9900K in an ES. Initial tests says POS. Barely 4.7 at 1.4v. I will test better later.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 3, 2023 13:52:22 GMT -5
My 9900K in an ES. Initial tests says POS. Barely 4.7 at 1.4v. I will test better later. That bad?! The 8700K is already lidless, will do 6 cores no HT at 5.4ghz on your chiller I'd bet.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 3, 2023 14:09:32 GMT -5
Indeed.
Worst 9900k I have ever heard off.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 3, 2023 18:08:44 GMT -5
Yea dont delid it Scotty I destroyed a 9600k recently with a delid tool tore the top off the die. There is not a big gain to be had by delidding they are soldered. If you do decide to delid it cut around the edges with a razorblade then 2 razorblades under opposing corners and hit it with the hot air tool. Sandy bridge was soldered and 9000 series but everything in between was pasted.
I have delid tool and I have only used it twice once successful and the 9600KF a failure everything else I have just used a razor.
How does it go on your chiller should be good for 5.3 at least I know my 9900KF the best I could get through Cine15 was 5.2 with water at 5.3 the CPU light would come on and it would shut down it was going over 100c.
Go with the 8700k
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 3, 2023 18:23:35 GMT -5
Peter,
Delidding with razors are forgotten years ago. There are very advanced tools for every modern cpu.
Also, there is no way to go from 4.7 to 5.3 with a chiller.
I took ages ago my high binned 9900k from 5.3 at 1.28v to 5.9 at -70c on Dice with 1.55v.
Best case on chiller is 4.9 to 5.0.
Sorry.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 3, 2023 19:15:52 GMT -5
Yea dont delid it Scotty I destroyed a 9600k recently with a delid tool tore the top off the die. There is not a big gain to be had by delidding they are soldered. If you do decide to delid it cut around the edges with a razorblade then 2 razorblades under opposing corners and hit it with the hot air tool. Sandy bridge was soldered and 9000 series but everything in between was pasted. I have delid tool and I have only used it twice once successful and the 9600KF a failure everything else I have just used a razor. How does it go on your chiller should be good for 5.3 at least I know my 9900KF the best I could get through Cine15 was 5.2 with water at 5.3 the CPU light would come on and it would shut down it was going over 100c. Go with the 8700k I still do chips this way. Not into purchasing tools for a method that'd worked decades myself. The 8700K is already lidless. It's already done 5.4ghz on above freezing water temps. The 9900K ES sounds like hot garbage any ways. @mr.Scott wants more horse power than a 9900K, I'll send a locked 12400F for 3D instead.....
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 3, 2023 19:41:37 GMT -5
Yeah,
I assume you have razor delidded a 13900k or an Amd 5950x.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 3, 2023 20:32:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I assume you have razor delidded a 13900k or an Amd 5950x. No, not yet. I've delidded dozens of other soldered cpus with confidence and only 2 failures. Without a tool and without a heat gun. My 2700x that's been delidded has been running air cooling in my son's rig for about 2 years now however. Why do you ask? These processor part numbers have no meaning to me.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 3, 2023 20:34:10 GMT -5
Also I might add to comment, Der the Bauer uses thin shaving razors from a tutorial I made back in 08'. That wasn't his idea, it was mine.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 3, 2023 21:15:28 GMT -5
Noone is replying HOW the solder joining DIE and IHS will be broken without the force of a special tool, using only rasors.
Academic question.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 3, 2023 22:20:00 GMT -5
Noone is replying HOW the solder joining DIE and IHS will be broken without the force of a special tool, using only rasors. Academic question. Using only razors?? Where did you read that. I just don't use a heat gun, I desolder using a soldering torch. It takes precisely 48-52 seconds when the solder releases using this method. Doesn't matter the die size or how much solder there is. AMD 40mm plates haven't changed much since socket 754.... Any ways, Pete was saying to cut the glue, leave 2 razors on either side. When the heat gun (or soldering torch) has gotten the solder hot enough to melt, the razors will move and the plate flips right off. So after preparation of cutting glue, I can have the plate off any cpu in less than 60 seconds. No problem.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 3, 2023 22:37:20 GMT -5
Ok, to each his own.
Too much discussion for 100mhz gain at best.
Moving on.
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Post by entilzha on Feb 4, 2023 2:04:29 GMT -5
If you use one of the delidding tools you don't cut the adhesive at all. You fatigue it moving the heat spreader back and forth while shearing the solder connection. After the lid is free you clean the die and the substrate. Then go about your business.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 4, 2023 2:13:35 GMT -5
Yea I ripped half the die off a 9600k with a delidding tool I will stick to the razor and Hot air tool. Everyone to their own.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Feb 4, 2023 2:28:53 GMT -5
Yea I ripped half the die off a 9600k with a delidding tool I will stick to the razor and Hot air tool. Everyone to their own. I figured the best method to unsolder is to use the same method to solder. Melt it. I've removed IHS plates in this fashion without cutting the glue also. It's just so quick and painless really. Intel plates, I do the razor on both sides method. AmD plates, a vice grip on the plate, PCB in the vice. Also have used just the vice in the same fashion the delid tool works. Didn't rip a core off though, but only tried it once. Nah, I'm good. 100mhz is 100mhz. My 13700K could use a delid and direct die, that much is for sure.
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Post by Bones on Feb 4, 2023 10:42:58 GMT -5
For older AMD's (Unsoldered) I use a retractable razor and I'll extend the blade out to the entire length of one side of the chip, then tap the edge in with something like a small hammer, wrench or whatever on one corner and it cuts through the glue like it's nothing. I start on a corner, then I'll hinge it in and carefully work it along the length of that side to a certain depth into the lid and stop - Then do the next corner and side until all four sides are done. The lid just comes right off and I'm done.
I used to do it the old way of trying to force it but since I've developed this method and it just works. Big thing is to be careful of how far in the blade goes in and to work it gently as you go. Just know I've yet to try it with a soldered chip and may give it a shot on a dead chip one day to see how it works out.
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Post by zila1 on Feb 4, 2023 11:34:17 GMT -5
I would be too afraid to attempt something like this myself. I tried doing one once and cut all the little smds off on one end. I felt like such an idiot afterwards. And now with my nerve damage in my hands....oh no.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Feb 4, 2023 14:59:49 GMT -5
Friends,
All of us are very experienced people. Each one has formed thru the decades a way of understanding and approaching things.
There are multiple ways to reach the final destination and goal.
It is constructive to exchange opinions.
I would like to add something about these delidding devices. They are also relidding. This way the final product has no visual difference to the original. This helps in reselling.
Other than that, all opinions highly respected.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Feb 4, 2023 17:49:32 GMT -5
Exactly right George everyone has their own way of doing it none are wrong.
I tried to tell them over on discord to get the heatspreader off on the GTX260 to push 2 razor blades under opposing corners and heat it up with a hot air tool they all thought I was an idiot they are all cutting them off with just the razor blade and they are hard to cut off.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Feb 4, 2023 18:15:23 GMT -5
Your way took me 5 minutes.
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