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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 11, 2023 22:04:58 GMT -5
Welp the others ended up being duds, theres 1 cpu that i should be able to ressurect by scratching the shit out of the pads since that ones stuck at 55 and pads visibly dirty, theres also an ivy i3 with a similar issue but stuck at 69 (nice) or 72, may be a goner cause pad scratching dont seem to do much but ill also just scratch the hell out of it. 2 other cpus that 00 and have visibly dirty pads so also gonna scratch them later, the 4 left remaining have alotta missing smds (solder paste dont work) and 1 of em just makes the board shutoff upon turning the thing on
Aaand lost the 107.5bclk cpu so gonna have to test all 9, if theyre all no post then likely the 107.5bclk cpu got dirty cause i placed it in a bad spot or something and 00
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 13, 2023 5:59:57 GMT -5
Had some of the same problems MIV Gene-Z (00 & 55), but it was due to a bad pin in the socket that got to the point I switched to a MIVE. Of the 20+ CPUs tested ended up with 4 (108 or better) that I'm going to try in a MV Gene. From this session and past testing 107.5 isn't too bad, probably on the strong side of the average. Cooling looks like it helps but not uncommon to see a air cooled system playing with the SS folks so really dependent on the CPU. MB probably helps, if bclk goes up on the Z77 Gene yes, also going to test the best of the four in a P8P67 WS board I have on hand.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 13, 2023 13:43:56 GMT -5
Welp 107.5 bclk cpu seems to be dead for some reason and idk why, IPA didnt fix it and im not sure about cleaning the pads since i already scratched em but maybe ill give that a go. Oh well maybe another cpu in this lot will have similar or better capabilities maybe it could have just fallen off my bed and died though i dont see any damage so could be nuked die due to hitting the ihs, but then again my golden e5400 fell off shoulder height and survived, and im not gonna point the finger or something random like bclk cause freq alone doesnt kill. Oh well just bad luck, was basically worth nothing without a board to pair with anyways, maybe like 5$ tops with a board Theres 3 cpus left that show signs of life which is a 2100 and 2 3220, made some progress on the 2100 from 55 to 4f code but now im confused on what pads to scratch since idk what 4f means. 3220s didnt budge, too lazy to continue further till theres an easier way to get rid of whatever corrosion or buildup on the pads since its on all of em and not just a few pads, i can only think of using a metal brush or maybe even steel wool but idk what else i could use. Other cpus seem to just be dead, missing smds, no obvious damage, straight up shutting off when i turn it on Wonder if dunking em in water with some detergent might help Aaand my boards arent selling for some reason so my basically 100$ in assets are useless, also school entry tests on the 5th of febuary so think im just gonna have to take a break from screwing around with computers till these damn assets sell and till after the 5th cause im pretty sure mom wont let me buy stuff this close to school entry tests but since i now have more $ then back when i first started getting interested with oc and fooling around with mods i should be able to do actually interesting stuff after the 5th
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 13, 2023 14:12:28 GMT -5
We've all had the bad luck with hardware young man. You'll eventually get something decent, just luck of the draw.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 13, 2023 21:41:52 GMT -5
We've all had the bad luck with hardware young man. You'll eventually get something decent, just luck of the draw. my e3110, same as my e8400 in clocking capabilities, my lot of 8 e8500, fucking trash with the best one being equivalent to said e8400 and the worst needing 1.3v for slow ass 4ghze8600 i got with a g41mx, ALSO THE SAME AS THE E8400 CLOCKING WISE AND ITS A DAMN E8600 but atleast i sold that off w board for a profit not like the e8500 failiures i gotta find boards for At this point im doubting if buying an x5260 will get me that much better of a cpu, i do know most of em will have an easy life and usually higher binned explaining the e3110 being half decent even though its literally just a xeon e8400 Mostly given up on wolfdale for clocks and now im just gonna screw around with cheddar mill because funny 5ghz+ celeron d, might consider buying a 2500k or g3258 incase i fix a B or Hx7 for oc testing with a z bios flash, i reckon if the chinese can make x79 scrap boards with b chipsets the no ocing is just a garbage software limit and flashing a z bios may be able to allow oc, ill try the same thing with p/g43 chipsets cause thats an easy hwbot record but finding a decently priced one is hard. theres someone selling a cheap asrock b75 (rebranded p75) for like 3$ broken so got a chance to test crossflash out. I mean h55 and p55 crossflash is possible, so yea next dumb experiment will be flashing a z bios on a non z board
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 14, 2023 0:48:33 GMT -5
We've all had the bad luck with hardware young man. You'll eventually get something decent, just luck of the draw. my e3110, same as my e8400 in clocking capabilities, my lot of 8 e8500, fucking trash with the best one being equivalent to said e8400 and the worst needing 1.3v for slow ass 4ghze8600 i got with a g41mx, ALSO THE SAME AS THE E8400 CLOCKING WISE AND ITS A DAMN E8600 but atleast i sold that off w board for a profit not like the e8500 failiures i gotta find boards for At this point im doubting if buying an x5260 will get me that much better of a cpu, i do know most of em will have an easy life and usually higher binned explaining the e3110 being half decent even though its literally just a xeon e8400 Mostly given up on wolfdale for clocks and now im just gonna screw around with cheddar mill because funny 5ghz+ celeron d, might consider buying a 2500k or g3258 incase i fix a B or Hx7 for oc testing with a z bios flash, i reckon if the chinese can make x79 scrap boards with b chipsets the no ocing is just a garbage software limit and flashing a z bios may be able to allow oc, ill try the same thing with p/g43 chipsets cause thats an easy hwbot record but finding a decently priced one is hard. theres someone selling a cheap asrock b75 (rebranded p75) for like 3$ broken so got a chance to test crossflash out. I mean h55 and p55 crossflash is possible, so yea next dumb experiment will be flashing a z bios on a non z board I didn't know you make submissions to hwbot! That's good 👍. Sometimes crossflashing works, sometimes just minor bios mods does the trick too. We have some bios files you could always request to try on certain boards too. This might help so you wouldn't need to do anything more than just flash the bios. 2500K is a great chip to OC with. Mine wasn't the greatest, but I used it as a daily for a while and sold it off many years ago. I'd stay away from the cheap China boards though. I've read a lot of issues with them and typically they don't OC well at all.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 14, 2023 2:07:03 GMT -5
my e3110, same as my e8400 in clocking capabilities, my lot of 8 e8500, fucking trash with the best one being equivalent to said e8400 and the worst needing 1.3v for slow ass 4ghze8600 i got with a g41mx, ALSO THE SAME AS THE E8400 CLOCKING WISE AND ITS A DAMN E8600 but atleast i sold that off w board for a profit not like the e8500 failiures i gotta find boards for At this point im doubting if buying an x5260 will get me that much better of a cpu, i do know most of em will have an easy life and usually higher binned explaining the e3110 being half decent even though its literally just a xeon e8400 Mostly given up on wolfdale for clocks and now im just gonna screw around with cheddar mill because funny 5ghz+ celeron d, might consider buying a 2500k or g3258 incase i fix a B or Hx7 for oc testing with a z bios flash, i reckon if the chinese can make x79 scrap boards with b chipsets the no ocing is just a garbage software limit and flashing a z bios may be able to allow oc, ill try the same thing with p/g43 chipsets cause thats an easy hwbot record but finding a decently priced one is hard. theres someone selling a cheap asrock b75 (rebranded p75) for like 3$ broken so got a chance to test crossflash out. I mean h55 and p55 crossflash is possible, so yea next dumb experiment will be flashing a z bios on a non z board I didn't know you make submissions to hwbot! That's good 👍. Sometimes crossflashing works, sometimes just minor bios mods does the trick too. We have some bios files you could always request to try on certain boards too. This might help so you wouldn't need to do anything more than just flash the bios. 2500K is a great chip to OC with. Mine wasn't the greatest, but I used it as a daily for a while and sold it off many years ago. I'd stay away from the cheap China boards though. I've read a lot of issues with them and typically they don't OC well at all. Actually i can sub my 542fsb g31 now but too lazy to boot the s2c up, only other thing than the hwbot open oc subs is a meager 590fsb sub on the ep45 ds4p, maybe when i get my hands on decent p4 or celeron d cheddar mill samples ill sub something to hwbot, probs just gonna buy a p31 ds3l cause it clocks the same as the p35 boards, maybe when i get to vmodding ill submit a cursed cpu freq with my s2c, 5.1g is the freq to beat Also how does 3570k compare to the 2500k oc wise? Heard they may need more volt than 2500k for high freq, and also the shitty tim so gonna have to direct die cause im too cheap for liquid metal, unless i get mercury or something
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 14, 2023 2:22:56 GMT -5
Found a tpower i45 while looking around for deals on broken stuff, wonder if its worth it at 20$ or not, ill problably not buy with the ram nor cpu unless the guy can test its oc ability at 1.3v which the cooler seems to be able to handle since its quite thick and problably comparable to a 775 copper core, rather not pay for a shit sample especially when i have 8 of em already Theres also an ep45t ud3r at 13$ which i havent bought even though i planned to a month or 2 ago
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 14, 2023 4:22:59 GMT -5
Biostar or Giga both pretty high up the food chain for P45, looked locally (US) found a parts only (actually untested),TPower for a little less than $150 after shipping, first I've seen in a while and way more than I'd pay for an untested board. TPower has a pretty intensive BIOS for the period and can be overwhelming when climbing the learning curve, also need a pretty good kit or stick of DDR2 if you want to get close to where the board has been. Haven't seen a decent Giga DDR3 P45 for a long time.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 14, 2023 5:01:14 GMT -5
Biostar or Giga both pretty high up the food chain for P45, looked locally (US) found a parts only (actually untested),TPower for a little less than $150 after shipping, first I've seen in a while and way more than I'd pay for an untested board. TPower has a pretty intensive BIOS for the period and can be overwhelming when climbing the learning curve, also need a pretty good kit or stick of DDR2 if you want to get close to where the board has been. Haven't seen a decent Giga DDR3 P45 for a long time. My xtreem dark will clock fine since my p5q pushes em all the way to 1520 stable as long as theres fans pointing at em, 1470 stable with no fans tpower can do high fsb but bios id consider hot garbage since everythings using stupid offsets and you have to measure every single voltage with a multimeter to make sure youve set them right. its great hardware wise but bios is fucking trash to the point that no one without a multimeter or a reference for settings can do decent clocks on one. Cant even crossflash cause next half decent bios is asus p5q and attempting to flash a tpower bios on mine just results in it not even turning on Pretty rare board so think ill go and buy it anyways, maybe ill take 2 of the 1gb sticks since i need some to run lower end g31 boards cause those cant handle my xtreem dark sticks. maybe even grab the e8500 if it happens to be better than my e8400
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Post by Bones on Jan 14, 2023 6:31:36 GMT -5
Biostar or Giga both pretty high up the food chain for P45, looked locally (US) found a parts only (actually untested),TPower for a little less than $150 after shipping, first I've seen in a while and way more than I'd pay for an untested board. TPower has a pretty intensive BIOS for the period and can be overwhelming when climbing the learning curve, also need a pretty good kit or stick of DDR2 if you want to get close to where the board has been. Haven't seen a decent Giga DDR3 P45 for a long time. My xtreem dark will clock fine since my p5q pushes em all the way to 1520 stable as long as theres fans pointing at em, 1470 stable with no fans tpower can do high fsb but bios id consider hot garbage since everythings using stupid offsets and you have to measure every single voltage with a multimeter to make sure youve set them right. its great hardware wise but bios is fucking trash to the point that no one without a multimeter or a reference for settings can do decent clocks on one. Cant even crossflash cause next half decent bios is asus p5q and attempting to flash a tpower bios on mine just results in it not even turning on Pretty rare board so think ill go and buy it anyways, maybe ill take 2 of the 1gb sticks since i need some to run lower end g31 boards cause those cant handle my xtreem dark sticks. maybe even grab the e8500 if it happens to be better than my e8400 T-Power is a good board but at the same time it's delicate, it doesn't take well to outright abuse. Tweaking one of those is an art but it will give the results you're looking for if it's good in the first place.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 14, 2023 19:49:33 GMT -5
I have a Tpower in the cupboard it came from Shane and thats where it will probably stay we had it running at his place once wasnt impressed.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 15, 2023 1:38:45 GMT -5
My xtreem dark will clock fine since my p5q pushes em all the way to 1520 stable as long as theres fans pointing at em, 1470 stable with no fans tpower can do high fsb but bios id consider hot garbage since everythings using stupid offsets and you have to measure every single voltage with a multimeter to make sure youve set them right. its great hardware wise but bios is fucking trash to the point that no one without a multimeter or a reference for settings can do decent clocks on one. Cant even crossflash cause next half decent bios is asus p5q and attempting to flash a tpower bios on mine just results in it not even turning on Pretty rare board so think ill go and buy it anyways, maybe ill take 2 of the 1gb sticks since i need some to run lower end g31 boards cause those cant handle my xtreem dark sticks. maybe even grab the e8500 if it happens to be better than my e8400 T-Power is a good board but at the same time it's delicate, it doesn't take well to outright abuse. Tweaking one of those is an art but it will give the results you're looking for if it's good in the first place. can it do better fsb than a giga ud board? cause when i had some ud boards they all topped out at 556 due to my e8400 not being that good, so i wonder if the tpower will top out at the same if not worse fsb 20$ is a decent price and if i can lower it enough (10-13$ is plausible if i ditch basically everything and buy only the board) i may just outright buy it, dont think its as well known as the giga ep45 and ocers will for sure favor the giga board cause bios isnt hot garbage, but cheap enough i should still be able to make a profit reselling it, besides i gotta resell these stupid e8500 duds somehow
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 15, 2023 1:45:01 GMT -5
I have a Tpower in the cupboard it came from Shane and thats where it will probably stay we had it running at his place once wasnt impressed. Ran two Conroe's in one for two subs, been gathering dust for nine years for me. Think about getting it out every now and then to get better acquainted with the BIOS but haven't.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jan 15, 2023 1:59:14 GMT -5
T-Power is a good board but at the same time it's delicate, it doesn't take well to outright abuse. Tweaking one of those is an art but it will give the results you're looking for if it's good in the first place. can it do better fsb than a giga ud board? cause when i had some ud boards they all topped out at 556 due to my e8400 not being that good, so i wonder if the tpower will top out at the same if not worse fsb 20$ is a decent price and if i can lower it enough (10-13$ is plausible if i ditch basically everything and buy only the board) i may just outright buy it, dont think its as well known as the giga ep45 and ocers will for sure favor the giga board cause bios isnt hot garbage, but cheap enough i should still be able to make a profit reselling it, besides i gotta resell these stupid e8500 duds somehow Top 20 MB Freq's as it seems to be what you are after.
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Post by MachineLearning on Jan 15, 2023 3:13:33 GMT -5
Personally I'd pick up the TPower i45 if it were cheap in the USA. Like Brad said they don't show up that often for a good price, two on eBay right now both $120+ way too expensive. VRM looks like crap but the board clocks like mad. Other option as that list above shows is GB P45. Hits low-mid 600MHz FSBs with ease on air, upper 600's if you have a good board and CPU. Depends on if you're doing quads or LN2 (wouldn't trust TPower i45 with either) but either option is great if you want raw FSB. If you're not passing 550MHz it's your CPU, grab a bunch of E0 Wolfdales and play around for a weekend.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 15, 2023 4:36:54 GMT -5
can it do better fsb than a giga ud board? cause when i had some ud boards they all topped out at 556 due to my e8400 not being that good, so i wonder if the tpower will top out at the same if not worse fsb 20$ is a decent price and if i can lower it enough (10-13$ is plausible if i ditch basically everything and buy only the board) i may just outright buy it, dont think its as well known as the giga ep45 and ocers will for sure favor the giga board cause bios isnt hot garbage, but cheap enough i should still be able to make a profit reselling it, besides i gotta resell these stupid e8500 duds somehow Top 20 MB Freq's as it seems to be what you are after. View AttachmentLmao all of em are giga ep45 with the odd tpower and lanparty in between Yea think if i can score the board for 10-13$ ill buy, itll problably give decent resale cause it is a pretty rare board and it is a good oc board albiet complete garbage bios (only good thing about the bios is the ridicolous voltage ranges, checked the tp45xe bios on my p5q if you are wondering how i know about the bios), maybe 30$ is plausible resale, think ill actually pair with my e3110 as i have no use for the thing same like my 8 e8500s on a sidenote i do wanna screw around with clocking cheddar mill cpus soon and im pretty sure my 30g tub of gd900 is garbage since my h212 barely gets warm, so i wonder what are good cheap thermal pastes. Cheapest high end thermal paste ive found is gc extreme which is 7$ for a 2g tube. I did also find some suspiciously cheap maxtor ctg8d at 3$ for a 4g tube and the advertised thermal conductivity is 12.8w/mk but obviously ill be skceptical of it cause advertised thermal conductivity often times doesnt mean shit. Then theres also arctic mx4 going for 3$ a 4g tube but i assume those are fake since there are mx4 going for 7$ a 4g tube, both diff packaging Oh and just incase supergluing a piece of plastic onto a cpu and running water directly over the ihs doesnt work i have 2 cheap options for a waterblock which is just a random china block (one of the proper ones that use copper and has microfins, not the cheap aluminium junk blocks) and some random xspc gpu block which i can just ziptie on, both 17$, so wondering which one to choose
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 15, 2023 8:13:46 GMT -5
Also forgot to mention that i found this abit ip35 pro xe at 10$ and it comes with a c2d e6600 Considering this thingy hasnt sold and its clearly abits top end p35 board, would something like this be worth buying? Maybe its good at clocking rams or better at fsb than my p5q? Ive also been looking around for any boards that can clock rams just like or better than my p5q but have better fsb capability so the cpu isnt slow. Giga ep45 clock quite abit worse rams wise vs p5q, gonna need alot more than 2.2v to run my rams at a meager 1470 on a ud3r vs my p5q which is not what i want since these xtreem dark top out around 2.4v before they stop posting which is really annoying, highest ive posted was 2.7v but i think that was just fooling around with tight cas, clearly it wont have resale value so looking to actually use and not just resell the damn thing
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 19, 2023 19:56:58 GMT -5
Ip35 is gone after like a month of being listed, looks like used is just depreciating like mad, cant even sell this stupid p8z68 deluxe not even for 32$, and none of my h55 have sold even at 12$, and these can overclock not the shit oem ones
At this point im contemplating just going tech yes city and buying a crapton of parts to build an actual pc to sell. I mean theres some broken likely fixable rx 460 550 and 560 for <20$, ddr3 prices have also gone down again (2gb sticks now 2$ 4gb now 4$), theres some broken i5 2500 3470 and 3570 i could pick up and hopefully fix which can be both multi and bclk oced on the z68, and 700w rexcool psu goes for 20$. So with broken parts i can build an essentially <100$ pc and maybe sell for 250-300$, i can even make content out of it too, then i can finally migrate to ddr4, then my plan falls apart cause i gotta wait a year or 2 for used ddr5 to depreciate since ddr4 is now obselete unless i can stick a 5000 xmp on random crucial green pcbs
Unless i migrate to selling full pcs or selling xmped rams im pretty sure my buisness is dead :\ Oh well yt makes more money anyways and about 1 month left till i can be free cause after senior high school entry tests then theres even more bloody tests. I expect yt to be abit better cause i dont think there are any 15 year olds diving into oc and repair shenanigans but that will take awhile to get going
Maybe ill get into building pc cases see if thats any better, particularly looking at targetting small matx cases and even smaller cases that can accomodate those weird boards that are itx sized but a tiny bit larger than an actual itx board like the h61h2 mv or h61 vg2. Low build cost and im pretty sure theres a niche for it especially for ppl on a budget that live in smaller homes, indo is a developing country after all
also is it normal for asus boards to have completely non fuctional black slots? My p6t deluxe v2 had completely useless black slots that didnt work but with rams in them it does still post just doesnt detect any ram in the black slots. The p8z68 deluxe also has non functioning black slots but if i put rams in em the board gets stuck at 55 and the useless memok button does not do anything
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 22, 2023 0:07:41 GMT -5
Welp now i got the dilemma of selling this stupid z68 for 28$ or less cause still noones buying even at 32$ and im not sure this things pc build worthy when the cmos doesnt work, only way i can think of fixing the cmos is soldering an external battery holder straight to the cmos chip itself via wires but still no hot air station
do i sell for cheap or no? The ram tweaking menu is barren af and trefi is crippled maxing out at a pitifull 9999 rather than 65536. Cant get a p8z77 premium bios to work, i could try z68 fatal1ty or z77 ocf bios. With the ram menu crippled boards basically useless to me unless flashing a z bios on an h/b board doesnt work, even then i dont game on pc and x58 6 cores are alot cheaper than a 2600k not to mention i have 2 e5645 just laying around
And >2133 dont work but that may just be the g2030s fault
Actually you know what imma just shut up for now and stop trying to sell my boards for peanuts, if i study hard enough and get into the prestigious senior high school that im aiming for parents and relatives are likely to give around 400$ total but could be higher so i can problably go both ddr4 and buy a ton of solder equipment probs also build a damn bga rework station so finally no more stagnation on money and onto oc shenanigans or ridicolous modding, amd vs intel is another thing but leaning on amd since ppl going 12th/13th gen problably gonna go ddr5 as much of a waste buying crappy micron a die or samsung ddr5 b die is (too slow to be futureproof even w oc), might just buy a used 6th-9th gen anyways since imc clocking capabilities seem to be similar albiet abit worse (gear 1). May aswell buy haswell since theres a cheap h87 fatal1ty at 23$ i can probalbly crossflash to a z87/97 ocf so i also got a ddr3 setup and can push my green pcbs, though im debating on going g3258 or a locked i5 imc wise, i mean if i got a ddr4 and ddr2 oc setup may aswell get ddr3
Just gonna wait till the 11th iirc for results and keep studying for the test date on the 5th so wish me luck
Edit again : boards now suddenly working with all 4 slots, just tried the black slots today and they work now, maybe its because i updated the bios after p8z77 premium crossflash fail, still does 2133 with the same settings as 2 sticks so seems like dual rank is no biggy for speed, i do wonder if quad rank will heavily impact ram speed or not since im only gonna be aiming for 2400 ish anyways, reason for quad rank is 16gb in 4x4 dual sided sticks with 2gbit ics since all the 4gbit ics seem to be meh at subtimings particularly trfc (not sure how important trfc is if trefi is maxed at 65536) though better for mhz but unless i get 3000+ working 4gbit seems to be pretty meh for performance. dont mind ramping the vccsa/io as long as they dont need ludicrous amount of volt (1.4v+), and ill problably just run loose cl and tcwl to lower volt requirement so i dont need to run a ram fan, if ivy can run 3000+ dual rank then sure id go buy some hynix mfr/bfr
Z68 extreme7 bios posts but it whines about my 9500gt display card and gets stuck at d6 with it plugged in to the board, without the gpu it gets into the bios atleast looking at the postode (Ab) but i cant see so gotta get another display adapter card, maybe hd 5000 or newer
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 27, 2023 23:29:29 GMT -5
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All i can say is just FUCK
Edit: on second thought theres still the money i can get if i get into the high school but 400$ is still nothing vs 1500$, im really just sick of selling boards for fucking peanuts and never getting anywhere with this damn buisness nor anywhere with ocing
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Post by austin86 on Jan 30, 2023 16:01:46 GMT -5
Edit: on second thought theres still the money i can get if i get into the high school but 400$ is still nothing vs 1500$, im really just sick of selling boards for fucking peanuts and never getting anywhere with this damn buisness nor anywhere with ocing And that is why I scrap the my junk boards if its not a simple fix.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 30, 2023 19:07:27 GMT -5
Edit: on second thought theres still the money i can get if i get into the high school but 400$ is still nothing vs 1500$, im really just sick of selling boards for fucking peanuts and never getting anywhere with this damn buisness nor anywhere with ocing And that is why I scrap the my junk boards if its not a simple fix. Ive never really looked at scrapping, cause if i cant fix a board i just resell it What kind of equipment would you even need for scrapping anyways? all i know about scrapping is that you just chuck some pcbs into something that melts metals to get all the copper out of em or something like that so far ive only considered buying in bulk and selling actual pcs and not just the parts, didn't think about scrapping Who knows maybe 300-400 is actually enough to buy/build the equipment
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Post by austin86 on Jan 31, 2023 10:04:44 GMT -5
And that is why I scrap the my junk boards if its not a simple fix. Ive never really looked at scrapping, cause if i cant fix a board i just resell it What kind of equipment would you even need for scrapping anyways? all i know about scrapping is that you just chuck some pcbs into something that melts metals to get all the copper out of em or something like that so far ive only considered buying in bulk and selling actual pcs and not just the parts, didn't think about scrapping Who knows maybe 300-400 is actually enough to buy/build the equipment Nothing more then what you likely have, basic hand tools go a long ways. Unless if you get a lot of stuff and I mean a lot you are better off just shipping it out or taking it to a scrap yard. If you can find a local yard to take the parts go for it, its fast and simple and once sold your done. You might not make as much but you also have a lot less time involved in selling them and no buyers trying to get a refund for a dead board they thought they could fix.
Pull anything copper or aluminum off the boards, the copper will be #2 or ACR if it has heat pipes and aluminum fins. The aluminum will be cast or extruded, the latter being worth way way more. like 30 cents a lb vs 70 cents.
Then take the boards in as is and get like 2-3$ a lb for them. No waiting for a seller or dumping more money into them.
You can also take the wires from PSU's in too that would be #2 insulated most likely. The ends have brass in them too so cut them off and pull the pins out, a lot of copper and extruded aluminum in the PSU too, but that is not something I would mess with unless if know what you are doing as the caps and transformers in a PSU can hold a nasty charge.
And if you are crazy like me you will pull off all the copper coils off boards too.
Board sort and cash for computer scrap are two places online you can sell the boards to if nowhere locally buys them. And do note the scrap yard could not care less what the board is, all they care about is weight. Albeit it multi CPU and Piii or older boards are worth a little more.
My last scrap run made me about 105$, it was about 150-200lb of stainless steel at .30 a lb and about 50 lb of aluminum at .35 cast and .50 for cans. My run before that was about 220$ for about 85lb of brass and some aluminum, and my next run will be about 500-1k$ for copper. Free scrap is all over the place on trash day. If you get good at it you will know what stuff has gold, silver, tungsten or platinum in it too. Just about anything with a power cable has copper. CRT TV, about 2-3lb of copper. Microwave oven 1-5lb, vacuum cleaners, about 2-3lb, stereo amp, up to 10lb. blenders about 1lb. AC or dehumidifier up to 5-20lb. The compresses takes a lot of work to cut open but has a lot of copper, and even fans, the can have a lot of copper to. Ceiling fans are my favorite, its a fast 2-3lb of copper. You also end up with a lot of steel and aluminum that can be taken in too.
I make on average 100-200$ a month scrapping. A guy down the road makes his living of scrap and goes around town asking folks for junk to take.
You can help toss trash out when someone is moving or refurbishing a home, offer to take left overs from yard sales, pick in trash on trash day if legal in your area. Word will get around if you help folks out by getting rid of big things like old stoves or refrigerators, then folks will bring you junk to scrap
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Jan 31, 2023 20:42:24 GMT -5
Ive never really looked at scrapping, cause if i cant fix a board i just resell it What kind of equipment would you even need for scrapping anyways? all i know about scrapping is that you just chuck some pcbs into something that melts metals to get all the copper out of em or something like that so far ive only considered buying in bulk and selling actual pcs and not just the parts, didn't think about scrapping Who knows maybe 300-400 is actually enough to buy/build the equipment Nothing more then what you likely have, basic hand tools go a long ways. Unless if you get a lot of stuff and I mean a lot you are better off just shipping it out or taking it to a scrap yard. If you can find a local yard to take the parts go for it, its fast and simple and once sold your done. You might not make as much but you also have a lot less time involved in selling them and no buyers trying to get a refund for a dead board they thought they could fix.
Pull anything copper or aluminum off the boards, the copper will be #2 or ACR if it has heat pipes and aluminum fins. The aluminum will be cast or extruded, the latter being worth way way more. like 30 cents a lb vs 70 cents.
Then take the boards in as is and get like 2-3$ a lb for them. No waiting for a seller or dumping more money into them.
You can also take the wires from PSU's in too that would be #2 insulated most likely. The ends have brass in them too so cut them off and pull the pins out, a lot of copper and extruded aluminum in the PSU too, but that is not something I would mess with unless if know what you are doing as the caps and transformers in a PSU can hold a nasty charge.
And if you are crazy like me you will pull off all the copper coils off boards too.
Board sort and cash for computer scrap are two places online you can sell the boards to if nowhere locally buys them. And do note the scrap yard could not care less what the board is, all they care about is weight. Albeit it multi CPU and Piii or older boards are worth a little more.
My last scrap run made me about 105$, it was about 150-200lb of stainless steel at .30 a lb and about 50 lb of aluminum at .35 cast and .50 for cans. My run before that was about 220$ for about 85lb of brass and some aluminum, and my next run will be about 500-1k$ for copper. Free scrap is all over the place on trash day. If you get good at it you will know what stuff has gold, silver, tungsten or platinum in it too. Just about anything with a power cable has copper. CRT TV, about 2-3lb of copper. Microwave oven 1-5lb, vacuum cleaners, about 2-3lb, stereo amp, up to 10lb. blenders about 1lb. AC or dehumidifier up to 5-20lb. The compresses takes a lot of work to cut open but has a lot of copper, and even fans, the can have a lot of copper to. Ceiling fans are my favorite, its a fast 2-3lb of copper. You also end up with a lot of steel and aluminum that can be taken in too.
I make on average 100-200$ a month scrapping. A guy down the road makes his living of scrap and goes around town asking folks for junk to take.
You can help toss trash out when someone is moving or refurbishing a home, offer to take left overs from yard sales, pick in trash on trash day if legal in your area. Word will get around if you help folks out by getting rid of big things like old stoves or refrigerators, then folks will bring you junk to scrap
Maybe on heavier boards taking em to a scrap yard would be worth it, otherwise some broken boards have alot more sell value than scrap value, never had a buyer actually attempt to get refunds for a dead board yet, problably since i go quite into detail about the boards issues (usually including behaviour, postcodes, physical defects like chipped chipsets even) And im not sure if here in indo we have garbage days ive actually taken like 3 psus apart by now, 2 were dead (1 blew up, other had a resistor just completely rust out rendering it useless), the other has a noisy fan that i lubricated so its less noisy, havent been shocked yet
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Post by austin86 on Feb 1, 2023 10:07:49 GMT -5
ive actually taken like 3 psus apart by now, 2 were dead (1 blew up, other had a resistor just completely rust out rendering it useless), the other has a noisy fan that i lubricated so its less noisy, havent been shocked yet that's good, be safe, I seen many of times someone doing something dumb with a PSU and getting very bad internal burns. The biger caps can hold a charge for a long time. Its always best to load all the rails and pull he plug on the PSU if its working, then letting it sit for a day.
If you are from indo you likely have more E scrap options being close to china. Some chips do pay good. like Pentium 1's and older CPUs, ram and hdd boards. I save every dead CPU I get and once a bucket is full I get over 100$ for it.
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 1, 2023 12:55:26 GMT -5
ive actually taken like 3 psus apart by now, 2 were dead (1 blew up, other had a resistor just completely rust out rendering it useless), the other has a noisy fan that i lubricated so its less noisy, havent been shocked yet that's good, be safe, I seen many of times someone doing something dumb with a PSU and getting very bad internal burns. The biger caps can hold a charge for a long time. Its always best to load all the rails and pull he plug on the PSU if its working, then letting it sit for a day.
If you are from indo you likely have more E scrap options being close to china. Some chips do pay good. like Pentium 1's and older CPUs, ram and hdd boards. I save every dead CPU I get and once a bucket is full I get over 100$ for it.
True that im pretty close to china, though idk what the hell to do with my dead cpus after i take the gamble on buying one and hoping basic pad scratching + ipa cleaning will fix em i do have 3 or 4 cpus that can potentially come alive with more pad scratching as they do give postcodes but usually get stuck on codes like 55, 4f, 69, etc. But using a razor takes awhile, wonder if a stiff metal brush will do or are there better ways to scratch the pads? Maybe even steel wool might work?
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Post by austin86 on Feb 1, 2023 15:16:05 GMT -5
that's good, be safe, I seen many of times someone doing something dumb with a PSU and getting very bad internal burns. The biger caps can hold a charge for a long time. Its always best to load all the rails and pull he plug on the PSU if its working, then letting it sit for a day.
If you are from indo you likely have more E scrap options being close to china. Some chips do pay good. like Pentium 1's and older CPUs, ram and hdd boards. I save every dead CPU I get and once a bucket is full I get over 100$ for it.
True that im pretty close to china, though idk what the hell to do with my dead cpus after i take the gamble on buying one and hoping basic pad scratching + ipa cleaning will fix em i do have 3 or 4 cpus that can potentially come alive with more pad scratching as they do give postcodes but usually get stuck on codes like 55, 4f, 69, etc. But using a razor takes awhile, wonder if a stiff metal brush will do or are there better ways to scratch the pads? Maybe even steel wool might work? pad scratching is almost never going to fix anything. a cleaning is all you should have to do. If it still does not work its likely dead
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Post by somerandomtechyboi on Feb 2, 2023 2:18:28 GMT -5
True that im pretty close to china, though idk what the hell to do with my dead cpus after i take the gamble on buying one and hoping basic pad scratching + ipa cleaning will fix em i do have 3 or 4 cpus that can potentially come alive with more pad scratching as they do give postcodes but usually get stuck on codes like 55, 4f, 69, etc. But using a razor takes awhile, wonder if a stiff metal brush will do or are there better ways to scratch the pads? Maybe even steel wool might work? pad scratching is almost never going to fix anything. a cleaning is all you should have to do. If it still does not work its likely dead its not dead if it still gives codes and the codes are affected by scratching the pads, besides that now dead 2120 was revived by scratching the pads where before it kept getting stuck at 55 so clearly all these cpus need is some pad scratching but i gotta find a more convenient and faster way rather than just scratching the shit out of the cpus with a razor cause that takes awhile to do the whole cpu
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Post by austin86 on Feb 2, 2023 9:17:23 GMT -5
There is likely someone else going on here. Unless if the pads are supper dirty or pitted scraping them is not going to fix anything. maybe try 2k grit sandpaper if they are that dirty ?
Regardless I would keep any CPU's you can't fix, its like 5-6$ a lb here for LGA chips. Even if you can't find a place to take them pull off the copper IHS and keep them. Copper is shooting up in price right now.
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