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Post by prodigit on May 21, 2019 22:26:55 GMT -5
K20s are business based. You'll probably do best with a DELL or HP desktop of 2000-2009 on those. They're usually combined with proprietary setups. Finding a Bios that recognizes them is difficult. They're cards mostly for CAD applications. They don't fold very well. They're great at double precision, but not so great at single or half precision (which is what F@H uses). The K10 folds about as fast as a GT 1030 (35k PPD), so I'd presume the K20 to do no better than a GTX 1050 or a GTX 1050 ti (100k PPD)
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Post by Vinster on May 21, 2019 22:27:05 GMT -5
Great 1st thread here, welcome to the forum and thank you for that great info.
we all fold on and off here as well and have been good for 500k ppd to about 6mil ppd when everyone is active.
Also just had a look at those links and ya, wow. great info there. I've been looking to moving to linux for my 24/7 rig and that one thread sure will be handy.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 21, 2019 22:33:47 GMT -5
K20s are business based. You'll probably do best with a DELL or HP desktop of 2000-2009 on those. They're usually combined with proprietary setups. Finding a Bios that recognizes them is difficult. They're cards mostly for CAD applications. They don't fold very well. They're great at double precision, but not so great at single or half precision (which is what F@H uses). The K10 folds about as fast as a GT 1030 (35k PPD), so I'd presume the K20 to do no better than a GTX 1050 or a GTX 1050 ti (100k PPD) Well, I have a GTX 770 right now. It's ok. Folds and games, I don't push on it hard ever. 50mhz OC only core. Thank you for the information about the K20. It seems I've wasted some money but got the card sub 100$ and now, it's a cool looking paper weight!
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Post by prodigit on May 22, 2019 0:28:01 GMT -5
Resell the k20, and if you can afford it, buy an RTX 2060. If too expensive, the 1660. Or AMD makes great cards for occasional folding, when the cost of electricity doesn't really matter.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 22, 2019 21:20:19 GMT -5
Yea, probably sell the card. At least try and get my dollars spent back.
Not sure when I could budget in a new card. 1660 looks nice for the price.
I haven't run AMD/ATI for gaming in a long time. Kinda stuck with NV because of the Physx. I still have one or two old Agea physx cards here. 500Mhz PPU and Ghost Recon was phenomenal imo for it's time 06'.
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Post by prodigit on May 24, 2019 0:43:34 GMT -5
If you can get your hands on a second hand 1660 ti, is even better.
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Post by Bones on May 24, 2019 1:06:48 GMT -5
Yes welcome! In my case it's that time of year I'm having to stop until cooler weather arrives, the AC will be going 24/7 and the powerbill will show it. It's also a problem that the room my setup is in tends to get warm even during cooler months doing it, in the Summer it's toasty in here sometimes.
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Post by MoogerFooger on May 25, 2019 4:25:35 GMT -5
That's why I put my system in the balcony. You can choose anything. Attic, garage, basement... As long as you don't need to cool the area the pc is in.
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Post by Vinster on May 25, 2019 12:08:25 GMT -5
We'll be in the top 500 in the next 4-5 days... Wow... pulled 6.8 million yesterday. Ales and Leanna are making over 5mil per day. Impressive stuff you guys.
Shrimpy, those WU's.. man you're killing that
Vin
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Post by Aleslammer on May 25, 2019 12:59:38 GMT -5
Wish I had a basement!!
Garage will pull 45/50c in the summer, average for July daily temp around 35c, outside not a happy place. Really only two seasons where I live summer and January.
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Post by Vinster on May 25, 2019 15:45:36 GMT -5
my office is in the basement. comfy 15-20 deg C year round.
Vin
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Post by Bones on May 25, 2019 21:13:26 GMT -5
This is the only place I have for a PC setup aside from the shack itself and that's for benching, plus there isn't much climate control out there anyway. Whatever the ambient is outside is what you get and then some in there.
I'll see if I can't pull off a quickie unit tonight just to help a little.
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Post by Aleslammer on May 26, 2019 7:06:55 GMT -5
Was going to shut down today but got a little rain and a predicted high of 19c, tomorrow is supposed to top out around 23c. Tuesday up to about average (32c) so going till Tuesday morning.
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Post by Vinster on May 26, 2019 19:42:48 GMT -5
we had +30c yesterday with thunder showers and today was +29c and sunny.. tough to get motivation to do any work outside in temps like that...
Rig is up, but not closed up. leak testing went well (none found) folding on 14 cores and on my 1080Ti. I don't have the 290x in there atm.
Vin
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Post by Vinster on May 27, 2019 21:48:42 GMT -5
So in 2 days we will be breaking in to the top 500... who is in the 400-500 spot... Well...
494 UC Berkeley 482 The University of Texas 462 Team FreeBSD 458 Mensa Canada 456 Folding@UWaterloo 455 Milwaukee School of Engineering 444 NotebookReview Forums 440 Texas A&M University 436 CD Freaks 429 Team UnRAID 425 Microsoft 408 Madshrimps Folding 404 Oregon State University
So just a few notable teams, that if we continue this rate will surpass in under 4 weeks.
you guys are awesome.
Vin
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Post by Aleslammer on May 28, 2019 12:35:55 GMT -5
Shut down @ 9:30 AM so last points should be on the 3 PM Extreme OC update What I've been running CPU = Intel i3 6320 CPU Cooling = Corsair H80i V2 MB = Asus Maximus IX APEX VGA = 2 x Asus 1080 Ti (8x on the PCIe bus MB limit) RAM = Patriot Viper Steel, Model PVS416G400C9K (@xmp) PS = 1000w Seasonic Air Movement = Honeywell 8” table top fan (AC) SSD = Corsair 120GB MB Tray = Mountain Mods OS = W10 Home 64 Bit Wifi = Netgear USB Adaptor, Model A6210 Power use 0.5209 kilowatt hour x 24 for 2,219,000 PPD (5 day average)(monitor wattage not included) Table top fan gone, not helping with the hot VGA so going to switch to a 140 mm fan for air movement around the socket area, save a watt or two. Other than adding some legs to the MB tray pretty happy. 25c room
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Post by Vinster on May 28, 2019 13:18:53 GMT -5
that makes a whole lot of sense... ok. wow, dual 1080Ti's.. Strix as well... same as my single... nice cards...
Vin
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Post by Aleslammer on May 28, 2019 13:43:02 GMT -5
Kicked them up a little over stock trying to get the 1.2m PPD from the charts for a 1080 Ti. would do it with the PRCG 117xx units with two running. The PRCG 141xx units would drop by 200k or more if two were running, less wattage and heat though.
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Post by prodigit on May 28, 2019 22:00:10 GMT -5
My suggestion, Use MSI Afterburner, or EVGA's XOC to increase power consumption to max (110-150%, whatever they allow your card to do). On windows, try to boot the card cold, folding, and see how high the boost frequency is on that card stock. Then cut power to 80% or less, and overclock until you see the same boost frequency numbers. It'll allow you to do the same workload for less power. Cards will run cooler.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on May 29, 2019 0:32:47 GMT -5
My suggestion, Use MSI Afterburner, or EVGA's XOC to increase power consumption to max (110-150%, whatever they allow your card to do). On windows, try to boot the card cold, folding, and see how high the boost frequency is on that card stock. Then cut power to 80% or less, and overclock until you see the same boost frequency numbers. It'll allow you to do the same workload for less power. Cards will run cooler. So.... pardon if I'm not on topic.... But what's it gonna take for you to join our folding team (and perhaps HWBot team) ?? We would be very proud and happy for your arrival of awesomeness! EDIT: "He is fully Awesome"
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Post by Vinster on May 29, 2019 6:59:11 GMT -5
in the next 9 hours we will be in the top 500
Great going guys/gals
Vin
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Post by Aleslammer on May 30, 2019 8:10:15 GMT -5
Madshrimps got me watching even though a long ways away, don't recognize any of the folding names.
To be truthful any push for points would be nicer if it fell between October to April on my side, even better November to March. Can just throw a towel at the bottom of the door and open a window if I don't need the heat in the house.
Going to do a day or two every now and then, so not out, just going into summer mode.
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Post by prodigit on Jun 1, 2019 4:10:04 GMT -5
My suggestion, Use MSI Afterburner, or EVGA's XOC to increase power consumption to max (110-150%, whatever they allow your card to do). On windows, try to boot the card cold, folding, and see how high the boost frequency is on that card stock. Then cut power to 80% or less, and overclock until you see the same boost frequency numbers. It'll allow you to do the same workload for less power. Cards will run cooler. So.... pardon if I'm not on topic.... But what's it gonna take for you to join our folding team (and perhaps HWBot team) ?? We would be very proud and happy for your arrival of awesomeness! EDIT: "He is fully Awesome" Lol! I have my own team since 2008; which I won't easily leave. I offer advice, because your good fortune of the team, is good for everyone. While I love a good and competitive PPD race, it all is about finding cures for ailments, as well as possible, and saving lives! For the summer I go into my 'economy mode', due to high electricity cost. If any of you guys are running more than one RTX card, like me, and want the most efficient system ever, run them all at 127W (for Linux). I spent some time folding with limiting power to all cards, and using excel to map what PPD I get at what Wattage. It's a lengthy procedure, where every watt changed, takes 5% of a WU to reflect or stabilize, before an average PPD for that WU can be recorded. But after a whole afternoon, I found that all my RTX cards seem to run most efficient around 127Watts. That seems to be the magical number on these cards as far as Efficiency goes! I reason, that Nvidia knows at 125W they perform best, so they don't allow RTX 2060, 2070, and 2080 cards to go lower than that (2080ti can go lower than that, but it makes no sense to run it below 125W). I added 2 additional watts, because my efficiency went up by a bit, because of the fans (I'm running a slightly higher fan curve than stock, so 1 to 2 watts are lost in extra cooling, which allows the cards to run cooler, and at a higher overclock). And it places me right in the sweet spot of those cards. And coincidentally, that number 127W, happens to be the same on all RTX cards I own, regardless of blower type, or open type, RTX 2060, 2070, 2080 or 2080ti. I don't know about GTX cards. I no longer own them to run tests on them. Lowering wattage also allowed me to manually push the overclock a little higher (by 5 to 15Mhz on most of my cards), thanks to less generating of heat. And while my PPDs are a bit lower now that I cut back on power, I don't think I can fold any more efficient than this. Overall PPD performance in my '127W per card eco mode' is about 20-30% less than running the cards fully stock; but power consumption on the cards is between 35 to 57% lower, depending on the card. That's a significant saving! Measured on the wall, with a Killawatt meter, I cut power from my efficient winter mode of 795 Watts to 590 Watts on my summer mode (-25% of power, or about 200 Watts less consumption), while PPD went down from 6.6M PPD to only 6M PPD (-10%) from last setting. Not a bad tradeoff. I'm even thinking that the 200Watts saved, I could add another GPU to my PC to compensate for coming winter!
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Post by Bones on Jun 1, 2019 9:01:12 GMT -5
I can only speak for myself but if you ever decide to give benching a try I'd be cool with you being on the benching team, unlike with folding we are the #1 team in the world when it comes to benching. Maybe something to think about one day.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 1, 2019 18:50:34 GMT -5
So.... pardon if I'm not on topic.... But what's it gonna take for you to join our folding team (and perhaps HWBot team) ?? We would be very proud and happy for your arrival of awesomeness! EDIT: "He is fully Awesome" Lol! I have my own team since 2008; which I won't easily leave. I offer advice, because your good fortune of the team, is good for everyone. While I love a good and competitive PPD race, it all is about finding cures for ailments, as well as possible, and saving lives! For the summer I go into my 'economy mode', due to high electricity cost. If any of you guys are running more than one RTX card, like me, and want the most efficient system ever, run them all at 127W (for Linux). I spent some time folding with limiting power to all cards, and using excel to map what PPD I get at what Wattage. It's a lengthy procedure, where every watt changed, takes 5% of a WU to reflect or stabilize, before an average PPD for that WU can be recorded. But after a whole afternoon, I found that all my RTX cards seem to run most efficient around 127Watts. That seems to be the magical number on these cards as far as Efficiency goes! I reason, that Nvidia knows at 125W they perform best, so they don't allow RTX 2060, 2070, and 2080 cards to go lower than that (2080ti can go lower than that, but it makes no sense to run it below 125W). I added 2 additional watts, because my efficiency went up by a bit, because of the fans (I'm running a slightly higher fan curve than stock, so 1 to 2 watts are lost in extra cooling, which allows the cards to run cooler, and at a higher overclock). And it places me right in the sweet spot of those cards. And coincidentally, that number 127W, happens to be the same on all RTX cards I own, regardless of blower type, or open type, RTX 2060, 2070, 2080 or 2080ti. I don't know about GTX cards. I no longer own them to run tests on them. Lowering wattage also allowed me to manually push the overclock a little higher (by 5 to 15Mhz on most of my cards), thanks to less generating of heat. And while my PPDs are a bit lower now that I cut back on power, I don't think I can fold any more efficient than this. Overall PPD performance in my '127W per card eco mode' is about 20-30% less than running the cards fully stock; but power consumption on the cards is between 35 to 57% lower, depending on the card. That's a significant saving! Measured on the wall, with a Killawatt meter, I cut power from my efficient winter mode of 795 Watts to 590 Watts on my summer mode (-25% of power, or about 200 Watts less consumption), while PPD went down from 6.6M PPD to only 6M PPD (-10%) from last setting. Not a bad tradeoff. I'm even thinking that the 200Watts saved, I could add another GPU to my PC to compensate for coming winter! I figured you where a long time folder and likely on a team, but the offer stays. I don't want you to come here cause I/we want you too! I've been folding since it was released. Mainly on cpu. quick easy short work units. Have done some, but usually with the same card I game with so not really hardcore, been on and off through the years. I too fold for more than just points and always try to stress that when getting somebody involved with folding at home. None of us here race for the points per say more so than to show it off!! Personally, have a GTX 770. So having such a card, the efficiency is not good compared to todays cards. However, I should look at making it more efficient by lowering power consumption. That's a really good idea. Since recently, I didn't even use a passkey. Really never paid attention to it. WhiteWulfe brought it to our attention and we greatly appreciate any and all advice!! We even have a mystery person on our team. (unless someone figured it out yet??) They are cranking out 3 million points a day. He/She has a very nice set up running...... But yea!! saving 25% on energy? I'm gonna tweak into that for sure. Thank you.
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Post by Vinster on Jun 1, 2019 19:54:33 GMT -5
Nope, still haven't figure out who that person is.
Vin
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Post by prodigit on Jun 2, 2019 7:53:44 GMT -5
I always think it's fun to trace back information on who is folding. If you're talking about Droch Leanna, assuming this is her alias and not her real name, (s)he's probably folding on 2, or 3 PCs. It looks like one Windows computer, with 4x Nvidia GPU cards. (From the PPD count, I'd say they're probably GTX cards). And secondary Windows PC running CPU, and a single GPU, that looks like it's overclocked a bit too high, as the WU of the GPU just returned faulty. And potentially a third PC running 4x Nvidia GPUs, but it could also be that (s)he reinstalled something, and the third PC displayed is actually the first one before an update or reinstall. That's all the publicly available info on the Folding at home website. So if any of your friends is running this setup, you might know more. If you're ever interested in what Folding At Home keeps of information on your system, enter your username on this link: apps.foldingathome.org/cpuIt shows: - Your unique CPU ID (mostly a useless number that can be reset with each reinstall of FAH, or OS reinstall. I prefer to name it PC ID, as it shows info on the PC, not CPU alone). In the CPU ID you'll find info on what PC, CPU and the ID of the GPU you're running as well. - Masked IP, can show if you're running from more than 1 IP location. - Team you're folding for - What's folding (AMD, NVIDIA, CPU (x86), or NaCL (CPU via website)) - OS - Credit received per returned WU - Bonus credits (when 80% of the WUs or more, is returned on time, and a passkey is used) - Return date (link which will tell you more about WU receive and return time, and if the WU returned ok or faulty) - Project the WU is associated with - And 3 columns of more internal data used by FAH. I don't know much about those. Results of each uploaded WU, will overwrite previous results. If you currently have no possibility to remotely check, if a WU passed, you can use this site. Most WUs return ok, unless you're running overclocked, then they might return erroneously. Older GTX cards can't save much on power. I remember a GT 1030 can save only 5 watts (or 25%) of power, and a GTX 1050 can also save about 5 watts or so; RTX cards can save up to 300% of power from under full load (300 to 100Watts), but usually up to 57% is useful, below not so much. Instead it makes more sense to overclock these GTX cards to where they perform faster. if you ask me, and you're folding 24/7, I would take any GTX 1650 or lower out of the PC, and only fold on 1660, 1660ti, 1070, 1080, 1080ti, or RTX card. Also, any AMD graphics card under an RX550 isn't really worth using, as you'll be spending more on electricity, than just invest the electric cost of a year's folding, into a modern graphics card. If you're planning on folding 24/7 on a GTX 770 (230W), will cost you about $250 a year on electricity, and nets you probably under 500k PPD. Instead, a GTX 1650 costs you $159 initial purchase, folds around 500k PPD as well, and does it at 75W (so by the end of the year, you'll be even). You'll pocket $160 on electric cost each year after that. Get a $350 RTX 2060, folding at 1M PPD, and you'll lose $230 the first year; but each additional year you'll save $100 on electricity; and the 2060 will be folding at twice the PPDs as the 770. But if you're folding occasionally, it would probably be better to wait until you've got other reasons to upgrade the card.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jun 2, 2019 19:22:33 GMT -5
Oh wow, I didn't know you can track with such depth. That's really neat. Thank you for the pointers.
So While folding on the GTX 770, it uses around 148.8W at 64% TDP. There's no way to lower voltage, but I can lower clocks. Looks like save 4-6W on -22Mhz core clocks with power limit reduced to 80%.
Got all the reasons to upgrade the card. It's the funding part. I chose the Cpu and mobo upgrade path this year for personal use. The card was swapped from the HTPC I built nearly two years ago and I have restricted myself from OC on that setup buying the A320 series chipset and R5 1400 which is a fine fine cpu. I do not use that rig generally for folding, but have run NaCL units on it. (I've primarily F@H cpu packets since Gromacs release.) It's not big on points, but feel the projects are just as important.
I'd LOVE an RTX 2060. I have drool on my chin man.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jun 3, 2019 15:47:18 GMT -5
Finally got some drivers loaded but getting this, a little help maybe, latest Ubutu
20:40:52:WU01:FS01:Starting 20:40:52:WU01:FS01:Running FahCore: /usr/bin/FAHCoreWrapper /var/lib/fahclient/cores/cores.foldingathome.org/Linux/AMD64/NVIDIA/Fermi/Core_21.fah/FahCore_21 -dir 01 -suffix 01 -version 705 -lifeline 2104 -checkpoint 15 -gpu-vendor nvidia -opencl-device 1 -cuda-device 1 -gpu 1 20:40:52:WU01:FS01:Started FahCore on PID 2218 20:40:52:WU01:FS01:Core PID:2222 20:40:52:WU01:FS01:FahCore 0x21 started 20:40:52:WARNING:WU01:FS01:FahCore returned: WU_STALLED (127 = 0x7f) 20:40:53:WU00:FS00:Starting 20:40:53:WU00:FS00:Running FahCore: /usr/bin/FAHCoreWrapper /var/lib/fahclient/cores/cores.foldingathome.org/Linux/AMD64/NVIDIA/Fermi/Core_21.fah/FahCore_21 -dir 00 -suffix 01 -version 705 -lifeline 2104 -checkpoint 15 -gpu-vendor nvidia -opencl-device 0 -cuda-device 0 -gpu 0 20:40:53:WU00:FS00:Started FahCore on PID 2223 20:40:53:WU00:FS00:Core PID:2227 20:40:53:WU00:FS00:FahCore 0x21 started 20:40:53:WARNING:WU00:FS00:FahCore returned: WU_STALLED (127 = 0x7f)
Time for a beer!
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Post by Bones on Jun 3, 2019 17:52:42 GMT -5
I know I'm done for now, the hotter stuff is here now and until sometime in October I won't be able to do any folding. The AC has began to run more and more so..... When it tends to run is when it's time to stop but normal for this time of year anyway.
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