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Post by zila1 on Jan 5, 2019 17:14:07 GMT -5
I love the performance of this chip. Love it. Most fun chip to play with in a long time but.............It's Hot!!! I mean...........really hot! My biggest coolers fall on there face. I have to manually clock it and set the volts down. 3950Mhz @ 1.25 vcore LLC 1 Offset with Windows balanced power plan just to try and have some sort of control over it.
Geez, no matter what cooler I throw at it, It's just hot at stock. It just wants to pull all the voltage it sees to do whatever it wants. And it is just hot. I've got nine fans going in this rig just to try and keep up. I need custom water if I have any hope of running this rig during the hot Chicago summers here. Buildzoid hit the nail right on the head. I'm seeing exactly this.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 5, 2019 17:26:26 GMT -5
Man. We all had the same troubles with those PhII 140w 965BE chips and the Ph 9950 chips and the FX-9590 chips lol.
Top clocked, Top TDP capability Cpu never got much OC head room.
Super high leakage chips, voltage hungry to the max, worse then I've ever seen it....
Maybe your right Eddie, I got lucky. But then again, I'd expect to see 75c on a full load with a max of 85c... that's no problem really. Should be stable and no throttling?
Additional Comment:
How do the temps look without SMT brother?
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Post by zila1 on Jan 5, 2019 20:55:49 GMT -5
With SMT disabled my experience here with my setup is that the temps are the same but with SMT enabled the temps rise faster and level off at the same place, disabled = slower rise in temp but still rises. By under clocking the chip a little bit I actually have better performance for the most part with lower voltage, lower temp and cooler running. If I let the chip go auto it's like a little kid in a candy store and it just can't get enough no matter how much candy you give it..........it's a slut.
Edit: Looks like you may have a real good cool running chip with stock cooler Jon. Hold on to it cause it seems those are rare.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 5, 2019 20:59:41 GMT -5
I know you have it with a decent GPU. The 1070 wasn't it? What games or gaming style benchmarks have you run? How are the scores and game play looking?
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Post by zila1 on Jan 5, 2019 21:25:25 GMT -5
Tomb Raider, Shadow of The Tomb Raider, Deus Ex Man kind Divided, Doom, GTA 5, F1 2012, Dirt Rally........that is some of what I have in my library and there are others. I play all of them maxed out with FPS over 100 or more on most if not all. 2560x1080p wide screen. Next up will be a 1440p monitor. Not in a hurry though as everything is smooth as silk and fast. The EVGA GTX 1070 FTW2 has been phenomenal. Love it. Neighbors kids are coming over tomorrow for a few hours. I'm gonna let them play whatever they want on here tomorrow. Mainly why I wanted to make sure I had this heat situation under control so they wouldn't have any problems with it. I will get a kick out of watching them play tomorrow.
But yeah, these 2700x's run hot.
Edit: Frame times are usually between 8-16ms depending on game and what is happening in that world at the time. But not too bad.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 7, 2019 19:01:11 GMT -5
Yea Eddie. When you stress these chips, they can get real hot real quick. But from the sounds of it, gaming and everyday use it stays pretty relatively cooler in general?
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Post by zila1 on Jan 8, 2019 0:15:44 GMT -5
Yes Jon, it's fine. And one hell of a powerful processor. I've got it tamed.
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Post by zila1 on Jan 9, 2019 18:31:11 GMT -5
Adjusting the phases on the board helps it some too:
A little more consistent now I think.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 9, 2019 22:33:32 GMT -5
Nice!
Dialed in the XFR with mine with a little extra frequency full load 4150Mhz and max 4350Mhz. Voltage all on auto.
R15 scores are
Open GL 126.08fps Ref. Match of 99.6% Multi Cpu score was 1301cb Single Core 177cb MP ratio of 7.34x
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Post by zila1 on Jan 10, 2019 0:36:23 GMT -5
What I have found most interesting is that my chip wants to be at 50°C at load. At that temp it hits 4200MHz across all cores consistently(pinned)and from there the occasional drop below 50 causes all the cores to jump to 4350 voltages on auto. Air cooling will not take me there. It's really cold outside and I put the rig on the window sill and opened the window. It was in-taking cold air and I watched it. Man this sucker wants to be cold but it's a hot running chip. If I let the chip go to 70°C it starts throttling the cores. They will go down to 3950 or less as the heat takes them down. In fact, it starts throttling some at 60°C. That's where the cores begin to "dance".
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Post by zila1 on Jan 20, 2019 16:26:02 GMT -5
I'm still learning this platform Jon. I have admittedly made some mistakes as I've gone along. This XFR2 and PBO had me all F'd up. I'm not the brightest star in the sky and sometimes takes me a while to figure things out. It's a balance between voltage offsets and temps and it's a pain in the ass. You can't just enable PBO and leave it to it's own or it will throw all kinds of crazy voltages and heat at your precious expensive new chip. PBO is stupid out of the box. Auto clocking with PBO Negative Offset and DDR4 3200MHz Positive Offset on SOC:
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 20, 2019 19:47:34 GMT -5
Oh I know Eddie!! First issue is these are hot heat spikey chips on regular cooling, and you've proven that. Totally happy to see that score come up for ya, and them temps down a bit. Just enough to really get some oomph from her. Good dealing. Me, well no different than the post I made at OCN just a few minutes ago. 2700X 42.25X on auto voltage and vrm with windows in performance mode and just a solid overclock. Sits pretty, have yet to see 70c unless I stress test, then I can get her up to 74c no problem. Fan is on Q mode enabled. I could bring these temps down a few degrees if I went to super noisy full blast mode, but really don't need to, running just fine.
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Post by zila1 on Jan 20, 2019 20:03:59 GMT -5
I really think this auto overclocking thing is only good for light loads. For some serious stuff you gotta manually clock it like you are doing. And you've a good solid clock on that sucker. You really don't need XFR2 and PBO IMHO.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 20, 2019 20:56:56 GMT -5
I find it intriguing that people are tweaking the Auto-matic overclocking system and getting desirable results. It really literally does nothing for me because it doesn't exist in my bios lol. But a bummer I have really nothing to compare to those using the auto-matic overclocking system.
With the picture above, I fired up the F@H. It's been off for a little while as I've been playing around with other things, but gonna see if it'll stay running till bed time, roughly 4 hours from now.
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Post by zila1 on Jan 20, 2019 21:24:38 GMT -5
I think my chip just wasn't put together well which is why it is extra hot. But apparently I'm not the only one suffering from this problem. Yours is doing just fine. I like the numbers you're getting from it. Can you imagine how nice it would be if you could get your ram speed up??
Edit: And you know Jon, you described these chips perfectly.............hot and spikey.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 20, 2019 21:49:50 GMT -5
I just can't believe that my experience is that much different. I can't really get anything stable without shutting off a bunch of stuff, those guys over there have Stilt writing bios updates I could only dream of for my board lol. Sigh, I've already topped mine out. I don't think water cooling is going to make a big difference with these processors. I mean not big enough to justify a full on custom water loop. A large AIO maybe, but I dunno. I can bench her out all threads at manual overclock 4.3Ghz. It just takes crazy amounts of voltage to do it...... while every one else with PBO can manage some pretty high 4.4Ghz numbers but through the benchmark or stress test gaming to I'd imagine, the Cpu simply down clocks to a safer 4.0Ghz (sometimes lower) to 4.1Ghz (sometimes lower or higher) and is really depending on those temps. I've made sure I don't pass 77c and kill anything that gets me that high. just the FYI of the evening.
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Post by ozz on Jan 20, 2019 22:27:23 GMT -5
delid the bloody thing or RMA it
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 20, 2019 22:58:01 GMT -5
Lol. There you go Eddie. RMA it. tell em it's to hot for the stock cooler and see what they say? Worth a shot maybe.
Good idea Shane!
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Post by ozz on Jan 20, 2019 23:19:43 GMT -5
Lol. There you go Eddie. RMA it. tell em it's to hot for the stock cooler and see what they say? Worth a shot maybe. Good idea Shane! well its too fucking hot, simple, piss it off and get another one, my thinkin is , its either a really bad solder flow and im presuming theyre soldered, if not a piss weak paste cover, a bad pcb and capacitors or whatever they have in em, or all of the 3 combined, or the distance between the ihs plate and the underside of the pcb is too high and either the solder or the paste , which ever of the 2 isnt doin its job properly
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 20, 2019 23:42:20 GMT -5
Yea they are soldered. Der8auer I think it was has de-lidded one or two.
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Post by ozz on Jan 20, 2019 23:48:09 GMT -5
Yea they are soldered. Der8auer I think it was has de-lidded one or two. well it needs to be pissed off and sent back, lol the "new" RYZEN still cant even get close for a sniff near intels arse, any intel cpu with equivalent cores and threads will smash amd and consistently from what ive seen, how many top oc clockers are using "the ryzen" ?? fuck all , thats how many!!!
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 21, 2019 0:17:59 GMT -5
ok Gotcha. Sounds like a plan. Going to consider Fuck all AMD it's not as fast as Intel plan and RMA the chip. roflmao
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Post by ozz on Jan 21, 2019 0:28:21 GMT -5
ok Gotcha. Sounds like a plan. Going to consider Fuck all AMD it's not as fast as Intel plan and RMA the chip. roflmao ask pete about intels computing capabilities mate, pretty sure when he sees this he will have a say, even right back to the earlier E dual core series intel chips, they smashed amd, and still do and im not a intel or amd fanboy, i run amd in the daily coz its what i had when i upgraded, beleive me , next upgrade when it comes it wont be amd and thats for sure
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 21, 2019 0:41:18 GMT -5
I have got both and they both have their place both are good at different things.
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Post by ozz on Jan 21, 2019 2:22:57 GMT -5
lol yep righto pete, yep both for different things, not the issue, the issue is amd is so far behind intel in at least % 80 of everything over everything, im not wantin to get political either, how long ago was your last sub with it . coz i know if it or the 2nd was any good and that you were happy with it or anyway confident in, youd be benchin and subbing with it
i wouldnt of even put up with it, it wouldve went back ages ago
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Post by zila1 on Jan 21, 2019 3:13:48 GMT -5
Yea they are soldered. Der8auer I think it was has de-lidded one or two. Yes he did Jon. He said it wasn't worth it though. Everyone seems to be going with big AIOs for these or custom water. The Sandman is running a 360 Rad on his custom loop from what I saw. I PM'd him about his cooling solution to see what all he's running. He did say it was originally for his FX-9590 so I can imagine that it's a pretty hefty loop. Hey Jon, if I was running a 9900K I'd be in pretty much the same boat. Those are real hot too.
What I'm most concerned about is that it's winter here now. When ambients rise in the summer...........well that is what is on my mind right now. Back to 9590 kind of thinking. As they keep shrinking these dies it's gonna get harder and harder to transfer the heat off of em. That heat will be concentrated a much smaller area, not like the previous stuff where you had more surface area to play with. Maybe these older coolers I have just aren't up to the job and a newer style of cooler may be necessary. Dark Rock Pro 4 or maybe the new Assassin coming out soon. But not an NH-D15...........it's just too damned ugly.
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Post by ozz on Jan 21, 2019 3:53:28 GMT -5
fx or rhyzen, you blokes will always suffer with air with them on air, theres just not the headroom , blame amd-----heat intensive chips, then theres the volts, and amd loves volts to perform , so whats that gunna do with air or even aio, ? nothin...
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 21, 2019 7:15:49 GMT -5
The last time I used Ryzen was the Teams cup the same time I benched my intels seriously. Shane while intel does have better IPC which makes them better for 3D benching which I have said before and will again Ryzen's SMT is very good I like Ryzen as well as my intel. They both have good and bad points.
As for them running hot intel runs just as hot my 8700k when I first got it going was shutting down running cinebench @ 5.2Ghz 1.45v I went back to 5.1 and noticed the CPU Led flashing on while cine was running a quick check with realtemp showed it was hitting 100c I quickly took the lid off it and put better thermal paste under it.
I have got 4 Ryzen CPU's 1600X, 1800X, 2700X, 2400G and 2 motherboards Crosshair Hero VI, Z370 Prime Pro if I didnt like them I wouldnt have them all I would just have the 1800X still.
Anyhow the issue is this thread is Jon and Eddie discussing Ryzen not about what is better or Intel / AMD flame wars.
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Post by zila1 on Jan 21, 2019 10:41:13 GMT -5
I'm not a fanboy of any kind so I don't go there. Both products, as our dear friend Pete has stated have there pro's and cons. And each are just awesome in there own respect. The fellas that have those fast bad ass Intel chips have to invest heavily in good motherboards and high end cooling to get the speeds out of them that they want. Now we're seeing similar kinds of experiences with the new AMD badass multi-core monsters. I'm learning as I go along and am finding that my current board and cooling solutions may very well be holding me back as well as my own lack of knowledge of the new platform of which I am learning more and more everyday. Jon and I are thinking out loud here and bouncing ideas back and forth and as we do we will and are slowly finding solutions to our individual problems. Jon is also a great guy to talk to and joke around with along the way which makes it even more fun. And yes, there definitely are frustrations along this journey that make you look at your new rig and say "WTF!!!"
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 21, 2019 16:38:47 GMT -5
Well I think Shane misunderstood and thought maybe I was being a smart ass. Well I wasn't I had actually thought it was a good idea, but going back and reading the post I can see where it looks like I was a smart ass. Well No I was serious and thought it to be a good idea because the stock cooler "SHOULD" be able to do it's job and RMA is a viable option. I'm sorry if I worded it wrong Shane. Keep an eye out for a new thread soon. It's gonna be spot on for people that want to really let it all hang out!!!
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