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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 30, 2018 11:55:38 GMT -5
Yes, just use the one 650W psu, it's more than enough. loading 6 sticks can be an issue with x58 (Though I am doing it right now, ram at stock 1066mhz @ 1.5v). the DRAM voltage is fed from the CPU. so if you over drive the ram too much, you can blow the cpu. to me it sounds like a PSU issue.... what is your DRAM voltage and mem settings at? what PSU are you using? Vin 3 sticks are definitely better for OC though 6 are generally not that much worse depending on the IMC. I ran 6x4GB sticks daily @ ~1910 C9 1.65V fine when I was using X58 as my main rig. Fasted speed was around 2200 for testing. Also DRAM voltage has nothing to do with the CPU really, use whatever voltage the mems need. 1.9 - 2.1V is perfectly fine if your mem IC's are spec'd for that. I usually use 2.2V for 3x4GB Samsung D-Die @ 2200+ CL8-10-10 or 1.90V for 3x2GB Micron D9GTR @ 1850-1900 CL7-7-7. I do remember the 45nm i7 IMC's to be hit and miss, IIRC my 920 can't do 2000 on the mems but of course on those the Uncore has to be 2x the Dram speed so 4000MHz uncore which needs lots of VTT. The 32nm Xeon's & i7's usually have very good IMC's, 2000+ is doable on pretty much all of them.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 30, 2018 12:21:49 GMT -5
Also DRAM voltage has nothing to do with the CPU really, use whatever voltage the mems need. 1.9 - 2.1V is perfectly fine if your mem IC's are spec'd for that. I usually use 2.2V for 3x4GB Samsung D-Die @ 2200+ CL8-10-10 or 1.90V for 3x2GB Micron D9GTR @ 1850-1900 CL7-7-7. That's not completely true. Intel says max of 1.8v or so is tolerable. Anything over that and you risk damage. See these burned pins on one of my P6T7's? That comes from overvolting memory. Board works fine in every aspect except it will not show or use more than 4 gig of ram now. Vdimm absolutely impacts the CPU.
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Post by Bones on Dec 30, 2018 13:02:07 GMT -5
Now i'm almost sure this 930 has a very bad imc Got another 3x sticks, so now 12gb ram with 6 modules. But the problem is that the system keeps shuting down and restarting after 15sec into windows, and sometimes shutdown during windows loadscreen. Already tried raising voltages, lowering ram freq, to less than 1333mhz etc... Same problem. With only 3 modules it works like a charm, but with 12gb 6 modules i can only post, boot into bios (no problem here) and sometimes boot into windows for a few seconds, after that system just shutdown from nothing. Does anyone here had this issue? Not having problems with something getting a little warm during all this, possibly triggering a shutdown? Even a something as simple as a whacky sensor could cause that to happen.
However if it's already loaded windows that shoudn't be a real issue unless there are other processes in the background starting up (Delayed start process) that could be trying to go and instead of it being able to recover temps a little during this time it's just making it keep running under a load after bootup.
I know it's working harder at least to make use of all the extra RAM, that's why I bolded that in the quote. Taking a shot in the dark myself with this but it does to an extent seem like something is just getting a little too warm due to all the extra RAM and/or it's somewhat related to startup delayed processes kicking in not letting temps recover enough after initial bootup.
Hey, I'm probrably wrong but had to try anyway.
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2018 13:39:34 GMT -5
Vinster yes it is connected. dr4g00n i'll buy a i7 980x soon, i'm hoping that a good imc solve this problem. Bones I had already thought of that and looked for hot spots all over the mobo, found nothing wrong/strange. Thank you guys for the help, i'll try with only one psu to see if it works, but i guess the problem will be a (very) bad 930 imc.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 30, 2018 15:35:24 GMT -5
Power supply isnt the problem 6 sticks are though. Six stick are only for running stock not for overclocking or benching.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2018 18:59:57 GMT -5
Good stuff reading all this here I never did get into x58. For me the stories of 5year longevity put me off + the high prices Very nice board Casanova. Be careful if it's a rare one as it looks
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 30, 2018 19:38:58 GMT -5
Vinster yes it is connected. dr4g00n i'll buy a i7 980x soon, i'm hoping that a good imc solve this problem. Bones I had already thought of that and looked for hot spots all over the mobo, found nothing wrong/strange. Thank you guys for the help, i'll try with only one psu to see if it works, but i guess the problem will be a (very) bad 930 imc. If you after bus speed look at Grounds thread on these and find a Xeon model that he gets good bus speeds from they are cheap too. W3680/W3690 are pretty well 980X/990X equivalents and half the price. I dont get much more than 200 bus from the 2 980X and the W3690 that I have had but they clock higher than 920/930 Ground seems to go for the 5000 series Xeons for big bus speed. Also definitely get those 6 sticks out if they are all the same bin them 1 by 1 for the best three sticks.
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2018 19:50:28 GMT -5
Good news, system stable 6x2gb everything stock, but if i overclock anything, even voltage, system starts to reboot after post before windows logon...
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 30, 2018 19:53:45 GMT -5
Pull three sticks out problem will be fixed.
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2018 19:57:19 GMT -5
Vinster yes it is connected. dr4g00n i'll buy a i7 980x soon, i'm hoping that a good imc solve this problem. Bones I had already thought of that and looked for hot spots all over the mobo, found nothing wrong/strange. Thank you guys for the help, i'll try with only one psu to see if it works, but i guess the problem will be a (very) bad 930 imc. If you after bus speed look at Grounds thread on these and find a Xeon model that he gets good bus speeds from they are cheap too. W3680/W3690 are pretty well 980X/990X equivalents and half the price. I dont get much more than 200 bus from the 2 980X and the W3690 that I have had but they clock higher than 920/930 Ground seems to go for the 5000 series Xeons for big bus speed. Also definitely get those 6 sticks out if they are all the same bin them 1 by 1 for the best three sticks. Thanks a lot mac, i'm also looking at 5000 series xeons for this board i habe to bin these boys, but for now i'm just trying to make this rig 24/7 stable with 12gb ram, but you are right, 6 sticks is too tough for this cpu.
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2018 19:59:15 GMT -5
Pull three sticks out problem will be fixed. With 3x2gb i was able to push 1650mhz 5-6-6-18 1T sp32m and cbr15 stable in optimized OS.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 30, 2018 21:02:41 GMT -5
Good news, system stable 6x2gb everything stock, but if i overclock anything, even voltage, system starts to reboot after post before windows logon... This is the issue I have with my Gigabyte X58A-UD5 (v1.0), could not set the memory any faster than stock, any mem or CPU I stuck in there. This board is running 24/7 right now with 6x4GB sticks. runs all day at stock with stock voltages.
I'm use it as a server board now. can't do anything else with it anymore.
also, here is the MB architecture for an X58 (Thanks to Wiki). CPU is connected directly to RAM
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2018 22:16:49 GMT -5
PROBLEM SOLVED!! You guys will not believe how dumbass i was for not seeing this. I was using both psus interconnected with this piece of shit: The pin was inserted, BUT VAULT! I don't know if it is a ground or a voltage one, but all i know is that using 650w atx psu directly connected to the mobo made all shutdown problems disappear Take a look at this, don't even pushed to see how far it can go. And of course i have to apologise my i7 930 for blaming him, shame on me for that!
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Post by ozz on Dec 30, 2018 22:31:41 GMT -5
no different than mechanical problems that are hard to find, always start at the basics first, clear all them ok, then work up from there 1 by 1, happy you got it sorted casa
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Post by casanova on Dec 31, 2018 6:28:33 GMT -5
Thank you ozz, i was so deeply involved with this issue that i had a nightmare about it couple days ago... I had this idea to check the cable out of nowhere, i was almost asleep in bed 2am and had this idea unexpectedly, went there and noticed the problem. It was driving me crazy...
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 31, 2018 6:52:04 GMT -5
I tend to go to bed after a night time sessions and think of fixes to problems myself. I cant get to sleep for hours thinking some nights
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Post by bullant on Dec 31, 2018 7:03:47 GMT -5
I tend to go to bed after a night time sessions and think of fixes to problems myself. I cant get to sleep for hours thinking some nights Lol, this is me on 32m....I'm always thinking what to try next, thinking there is always more I can get out of it lol jumping from platform to platform, I learn something new, then have to go back to try it lol nice board Casanova, all the best
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Post by ground on Jan 1, 2019 9:40:05 GMT -5
Congrats for working out the RAM problem! Nehalem might clock worse then Westmere but certainly not that much worse. All 32nm chips I've tested for it (as in: I had in my daily for a while) managed ~1800 CL8 with mixed ICs and 6 dimms easy. As for CPU, I've already recommended the x5675 (ideally bin a couple if you want to bother), that one shouldn't run into BCLK issues whatsoever. As for BCLK - I suspect its the 32nm architecture not the xeon part that really helps there , all of my good CPUs are 2011 C batch (31xxCxxx) if that helps (if you find a 980X with one of those batches please tell me!).
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Post by casanova on Jan 3, 2019 15:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by casanova on Jan 3, 2019 15:12:12 GMT -5
Btw, it's high summer in here, this is my room temp (no air conditioner).
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2019 16:14:40 GMT -5
What cooling Vic?
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Post by casanova on Jan 3, 2019 17:11:32 GMT -5
Water cooling, using aliexpress pumps, rads and blocks, they are not as good as ek products but are pretty decent for the price. Edit: here's a pic, forgot to mention that mobo uses ek block
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jan 3, 2019 18:07:08 GMT -5
I usually stop all benching at 30c.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 3, 2019 18:14:34 GMT -5
Makes sense to me now. Here is my 24/7 stable daily. Only cooled by a 212 Evo, that's why your clocks and vcore are a little higher. My temps top out around 75c. Better cooling I can probably match you. I can bench this at 4250 pretty confidently as is. I'l be replacing this crap set of ram very soon.
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Post by casanova on Jan 3, 2019 19:17:27 GMT -5
Here is my 24/7 stable daily. Only cooled by a 212 Evo, that's why your clocks and vcore are a little higher. My temps top out around 75c. Better cooling I can probably match you. I can bench this at 4250 pretty confidently as is. I'l be replacing this crap set of ram very soon. View AttachmentThe 212 evo is epic, excelent air cooling for the price. I could not get it stable at 205fsb, maybe at 203. My temps are higher mostly because of room temp, 30°C+ and this room has no window, only a door I'll bin ram to pick the 3 best and try to beat your scores
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Post by ozz on Jan 3, 2019 19:37:47 GMT -5
overall with air coolers the evo212 is hard to beat, direct contact heatpipes thats why its so good for really such a small heatsink compared to the others, i changed mine on the daily for the coolermaster V8 cooler, i got 1-2 c difference in cooler cooling but it has a much larger heatsink area overall,
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