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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 7:00:18 GMT -5
Fellows, after facing some troubles with p6t x58 board, i finally got a unique one. It was expensive (~210U$ shipped from a local vendor), but came almost as new, everything included. The first and only owner was a gamer extremely careful in storing things. He bought this one in april 7 2009 (ppcs and you can see from original document) and some time after he bought a x58 classy block from EK. He used it with a 980x, wich i did not buy because he was asking 250u$ for it. I'm using a i7 930 that i had here. I'm planning to get a 980x in the future, but now i'm really out of money (this one was expensive for me). This is my first time using a x58 board, so do you guys have any tips or guides to overclock this board? I'm going to use it as a 24/7 and of course to bench for the team
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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 7:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Dec 18, 2018 7:58:46 GMT -5
Where does the daughter board plug in too? I have an e770 (Classified3 board) and it didn't come with one of those.
Vin
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Post by Bones on Dec 18, 2018 8:01:51 GMT -5
Nudes of a mother and daughter board? Dude.......
Looks good, you should get some points from that build. Not sure how many of those are left in that condition but you scored.
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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 9:41:28 GMT -5
Where does the daughter board plug in too? I have an e770 (Classified3 board) and it didn't come with one of those. Vin Vin i'll check it when i get home tonight and let you know.
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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 9:44:22 GMT -5
Nudes of a mother and daughter board? Dude.......
Looks good, you should get some points from that build. Not sure how many of those are left in that condition but you scored.
Lol š Thanks, i just put everything together yesterday, booted to windows and ran aida64 stress test for 10min to see if it was ok. Will start to play with it asap
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 18, 2018 9:54:13 GMT -5
Where does the daughter board plug in too? I have an e770 (Classified3 board) and it didn't come with one of those. Vin It connects to the Front panel I/O header at the bottom right of the board and also to the PCIE disable jumpers if you need that. I have an E762 & E770 both work alright other than contact issues with the 24-pin connector. As for OC'ing they're pretty solid but not usually known for high BCLK, my E762 which is the better one only does around 230 BCLK. Some will do 250+ it just depends on luck. And also if your running high BCLK use an IDE drive to get the most out of it. It's also worth modding it for Westmere Xeon's just two simple solder joints. Attachments:
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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 10:51:38 GMT -5
Where does the daughter board plug in too? I have an e770 (Classified3 board) and it didn't come with one of those. Vin It connects to the Front panel I/O header at the bottom right of the board and also to the PCIE disable jumpers if you need that. I have an E762 & E770 both work alright other than contact issues with the 24-pin connector. As for OC'ing they're pretty solid but not usually known for high BCLK, my E762 which is the better one only does around 230 BCLK. Some will do 250+ it just depends on luck. And also if your running high BCLK use an IDE drive to get the most out of it. It's also worth modding it for Westmere Xeon's just two simple solder joints. Do you know if this mod works for my board (e759)? Also i'm noob with this board voltages, like nb etc... Any tips to help overclock high bclk?
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 18, 2018 11:18:01 GMT -5
Yes it works since your board is an older model and Rev. 1.0. The later boards like E767/768/769/770/ect. work out of the box with Xeon's since they're newer but the older ones need the mod.
I usually run
CPU & IOH PLL's: Auto (1.80V) QPI PLL: 1.2V - 1.25V IOH VCore: 1.25V - 1.30V (Try up to 1.45V if it scales) IOH/ICH I/O Voltage: Auto (1.50V) ICH VCore: 1.1V (Try 1.2V if your USB ports stop working) VTT & CPU PWM @ 610KHz & 1333KHz respectively. And both CPU Impedance & QPI Signal Compensation to [Less]
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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 12:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 18, 2018 16:06:45 GMT -5
Nice board. I have a pair of P6T7 WS SC boards. One has a full cover water block. Also have a X58A-UD3R. I7 930 on one of the Asus boards right now. Wanna race? Find a good set of triple channel Hypers.
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Post by casanova on Dec 18, 2018 16:48:27 GMT -5
Nice board. Wanna race? Find a good set of triple channel Hypers. I'm in Scotty Mine are psc, 2000c8 but i could not boot at that speed yesterday.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 18, 2018 17:11:46 GMT -5
I have Hypers. 2000c8 also but running them at 2000 7-8-7 @ stock voltage. Platform is new to me but I can't seem to tear myself away from it lately. Like it very much.
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 18, 2018 17:29:54 GMT -5
Nice board. Wanna race? Find a good set of triple channel Hypers. I'm in Scotty Mine are psc, 2000c8 but i could not boot at that speed yesterday. Try more VTT, stock on the Classified's is 1.2V so if your running a 45nm chip up to +250mV is perfectly fine on air. They could also need more VDimm than on newer platforms. My 2666 C9 Samsung need ~2.2V for 2220 C8-10-10 I haven't tried my PSC with X58 yet since I only have two sticks of Flare's.
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Post by casanova on Dec 19, 2018 23:30:10 GMT -5
24/7 system stable 1.72vdimm 1.4vcore (can be less) Everything else on auto (what a shame...) hwbot.org/submission/4015212_casanova_cinebench___r15_core_i7_930_667_cb?recalculate=trueNext week i will create a proper overclocked profile, hope for 4500mhz water and 2000mhz c7 ram. Edit: i did tested the ECP daugther board, it can be good for extreme sessions, but could have more milivolts options, like 25mv for a more accurate voltage regulation. You can enable 100mv per switch, for a total of 300mv more in OS.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 20, 2018 0:10:06 GMT -5
that's great.. keep in mind that 2000mhz mem is somewhat difficult on x58. You usually have to increase QPI to accommodate (my experience) but then the temps get to much out of control. then I decrease mem ratio by 1 tick (end up at 8x) in bios and then continue. my best FSB on x58 is 230mhz. I've tried about 4 chips and never had higher... ground here has gotten great results on x58. Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 20, 2018 1:03:12 GMT -5
Here is my Trident PSC.
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Post by ground on Dec 20, 2018 2:25:24 GMT -5
I have an E762 & E770 both work alright other than contact issues with the 24-pin connector. As for OC'ing they're pretty solid but not usually known for high BCLK, my E762 which is the better one only does around 230 BCLK. Some will do 250+ it just depends on luck. And also if your running high BCLK use an IDE drive to get the most out of it. BCLK is, at least most of the time, limited mostly by the CPU (Board makes maybe 3-5 MHz difference, at least for single socket, the SR-2 may require actual binning. I haven't run into a board that couldn't do 265 MHz BCLK on ambient). I've ran 270+ BCLK on air with SATA drives, they usually don't cause much trouble (heck, x58a-oc and Rampage III variants don't even have IDE and those can easily do 280+ given the right CPU), but IDE doesn't hurt either way. Nice board. Wanna race? Find a good set of triple channel Hypers. I'm in Scotty Mine are psc, 2000c8 but i could not boot at that speed yesterday. Higher VTT usually helps. Highest I've ran was 2200 c9 on this platform, but I haven't tested half of my CPUs for max mem MHz as there are usually other things to keep in mind first. Good luck finding good Hypers Scott, my kit is also not exactly great (2000 7-7-7 requires 1.8V and no less). I have Hypers. 2000c8 also but running them at 2000 7-8-7 @ stock voltage. Platform is new to me but I can't seem to tear myself away from it lately. Like it very much. Have fun on x58 Best Platform out there - still powerful-ish like modern stuff but it still overclocks more like stuff a bit older rather then modern gear. Try more VTT, stock on the Classified's is 1.2V so if your running a 45nm chip up to +250mV is perfectly fine on air. They could also need more VDimm than on newer platforms. My 2666 C9 Samsung need ~2.2V for 2220 C8-10-10 I haven't tried my PSC with X58 yet since I only have two sticks of Flare's. If its just for benching 1.5V VTT should be fine, I'm currently doing a longer term test how long it takes to kill a 32nm CPU at 1.5V that's great.. keep in mind that 2000mhz mem is somewhat difficult on x58. You usually have to increase QPI to accommodate (my experience) but then the temps get to much out of control. then I decrease mem ratio by 1 tick (end up at 8x) in bios and then continue. my best FSB on x58 is 230mhz. I've tried about 4 chips and never had higher... ground here has gotten great results on x58. Vin
Yeah x58 BCLK is my thing 287 was quite easy on my best chip on Dice, but I need to bin more chips, boards and get LN2 to beat Nanoks 290. Feel free to see how far you can go with my settings Note that I've binned about 90 chips by now and that all the interesting ones are 32nm which clocks significantly higher... Variance between CPUs can be gigantic; on 45nm on air I had anything from max 160 MHz BCLK or 3.8 GHz at 1.4V to 4.5 at 1.3V and 238 BCLK. 32nm ist just as bad; I've had a W3680 that couldn't do 4.0 at 1.4 as well as an E5620 that does 4.7 at 1.3V. The worst 32nm CPUs usually still managed ~210 BCLK, the best ones can do 270+ on air (top 4% maybe)
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Post by dr4g00n on Dec 20, 2018 13:23:20 GMT -5
I have an E762 & E770 both work alright other than contact issues with the 24-pin connector. As for OC'ing they're pretty solid but not usually known for high BCLK, my E762 which is the better one only does around 230 BCLK. Some will do 250+ it just depends on luck. And also if your running high BCLK use an IDE drive to get the most out of it. BCLK is, at least most of the time, limited mostly by the CPU (Board makes maybe 3-5 MHz difference, at least for single socket, the SR-2 may require actual binning. I haven't run into a board that couldn't do 265 MHz BCLK on ambient). I've ran 270+ BCLK on air with SATA drives, they usually don't cause much trouble (heck, x58a-oc and Rampage III variants don't even have IDE and those can easily do 280+ given the right CPU), but IDE doesn't hurt either way. Maybe I'm just not doing it right then. I tried all the cpu's I have and they all only do 225-230. It just hangs at a blinking cursor when it tries to boot from a drive or go into the bios past 230 bclk.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 20, 2018 13:44:50 GMT -5
^that's been my experience as well... it's not just you.
what is your QPI link frequency?
Vin
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Post by ground on Dec 20, 2018 14:30:11 GMT -5
If you guys want I can ship you xeons that can do a bit over 250 on air for testing for shipping cost. Please note that I haven't had an EVGA board and only heard that they are a bit harder to handle for some reason...
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Post by Vinster on Dec 20, 2018 14:50:39 GMT -5
If you guys want I can ship you xeons that can do a bit over 250 on air for testing for shipping cost. Please note that I haven't had an EVGA board and only heard that they are a bit harder to handle for some reason... Thank you very much for the offer, it's very generous, but I'm good for now. but if that changes I'll send you a PM.
and you are correct about the EVGA board being more difficult. it's mainly as the BIOS has a lot more settings available, even have more ratio's available for NB and QPI that the gigabyte board I have. Some of the settings on the EVGA board are not well described and that adds to the difficulty of the board. I really like the Gigabyte X58A-UD3R v2.0 board that I have, it's much more straight forward to get clocked up. but then when you see the CPU not playing nice because the QPI is near 4,000mhz or the NB is peaking up, I run out of lower ratios on the gigabyte board.... that's where the EVGA board can help out, but going from one board to the other with the same CPU/RAM/Cooling... it's a struggle to just match the initial clocks that I had with the gigabyte board.... so because of that I've not been successful with it.
I have not benched in a while, and with the lack of success I've had with the board I have considered selling it. I have the box and all the accessories that it came with, so I know it could fetch a comfortable about to get me in to a new to me socket for benching once I get time to do it again...
Vin
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Post by casanova on Dec 20, 2018 22:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Dec 20, 2018 23:00:20 GMT -5
did you increase the PCI clock at all. usuall at 210-220 FSB, I usually had to increase the PCI frequency to 105, sometimes 108. Maybe you need to do it earlier on that board? also under CPU settings, look at the clock skew. that one is very board and cpu dependent. to get to 230 on my gigabyte board and that 920, I needed 250 cpu clock skew and something like 100 or 150 skew for memory (going from memory) any one have thoughts on that?
but don't feel beaten... your results are a lot like my results
Vin
EDIT: See.. nothing magical... I have other CPU's and a few duplicates that I haven't touched yet... been waiting on getting my chiller set back up.
I kind of feel that the W series chips would clock better being Xeon's better bin would be my expectation
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Post by casanova on Dec 21, 2018 10:23:47 GMT -5
Thnaks for the pci tip Vin, i'll try this later
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 21, 2018 16:12:49 GMT -5
Had a little issue yesterday. W5660 in the X58A-UD3R just plain quit on me. Nothing but boot loop and ticking HD light. 930 back in and it runs like a champ. Bad CPU I guess but I'll try it in the P6T7 board just to be sure.
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Post by casanova on Dec 29, 2018 15:29:13 GMT -5
Now i'm almost sure this 930 has a very bad imc Got another 3x sticks, so now 12gb ram with 6 modules. But the problem is that the system keeps shuting down and restarting after 15sec into windows, and sometimes shutdown during windows loadscreen. Already tried raising voltages, lowering ram freq, to less than 1333mhz etc... Same problem. With only 3 modules it works like a charm, but with 12gb 6 modules i can only post, boot into bios (no problem here) and sometimes boot into windows for a few seconds, after that system just shutdown from nothing. Does anyone here had this issue?
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Post by Vinster on Dec 30, 2018 0:16:55 GMT -5
loading 6 sticks can be an issue with x58 (Though I am doing it right now, ram at stock 1066mhz @ 1.5v). the DRAM voltage is fed from the CPU. so if you over drive the ram too much, you can blow the cpu. to me it sounds like a PSU issue....
what is your DRAM voltage and mem settings at? what PSU are you using?
Vin
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Post by casanova on Dec 30, 2018 10:36:57 GMT -5
loading 6 sticks can be an issue with x58 (Though I am doing it right now, ram at stock 1066mhz @ 1.5v). the DRAM voltage is fed from the CPU. so if you over drive the ram too much, you can blow the cpu. to me it sounds like a PSU issue.... what is your DRAM voltage and mem settings at? what PSU are you using? Vin Thanks Vin, i'm using a 500w sharkoon 80+ gold to feed only mobo and cpu, and another 650w sharkoon silent storm to feed only gpu (gtx 780 stock). Dram 6x2gb i tried every voltage setup, from 1.5v up to 1.75v, from 1066mhz up to 1650mhz, anything above this freq can't even boot.
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Post by Vinster on Dec 30, 2018 11:26:31 GMT -5
The 650w psu should be fine with the 780 psi with everything stock. I'd try that.
Also, did you connect the psu's grounds (DC Common) together?
Vin
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