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Post by Vinster on Nov 1, 2018 19:48:16 GMT -5
I never found having uncore up to help anything drastic (ground and ales would be better to answer that). I never did an uncore only test. I would usually find myself to be at a point to lower the uncore to keep clocking up for stability.
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 2, 2018 6:23:18 GMT -5
Yes it does help same sort of thing as AMD. It all looks good for an air cooler the westmere hex cores clock better it will make a good daily runner I have pondered using mine as a daily runner for a long time but after winning a challenger series and now using it in TC that wont be happening it will stay for benching.
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Post by Aleslammer on Nov 2, 2018 11:03:35 GMT -5
Uncore/NB CPU dependent if it handles higher use it. but can cause problems with stability. Mid 30s probably a happy point for daily use.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 2, 2018 16:18:54 GMT -5
Definitely want 6c/12t. That's gonna happen. I will try to push uncore a little and see what happens. Want to go through my ram box and see if I have a better triple channel kit too.
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Post by casanova on Nov 2, 2018 18:47:48 GMT -5
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 2, 2018 18:59:27 GMT -5
What revision are they Vic I cant see in the photo?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 3, 2018 11:24:10 GMT -5
Looking into X5680 now.
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Post by Aleslammer on Nov 3, 2018 11:44:58 GMT -5
I'm re-organizing will see what I have DDR3 wise, 6 core, daily the 5675 hard to beat (good multi) or a 5650 the latter worth some good points (higher Bclk).
Posted while I was thinking & typing.
5680 looking good.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 3, 2018 14:35:07 GMT -5
Or 3680. Don't really need multi processing capability.
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Post by casanova on Nov 3, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -5
What revision are they Vic I cant see in the photo? That pic is from google, these ones are real. v7.1A
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 3, 2018 16:04:09 GMT -5
Ah PSC.
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Post by alpi on Nov 3, 2018 17:39:09 GMT -5
Uncore has major influence at ram speeds but it became really useful if You have stronger rams on the rig. If You have 1200 mhz rams a lower level can be enough but if You wants to see performing a strong 2000mhz set, there isn't a level of uncore what You don't need. I didn't have many 1366 chips but maybe if You thinking to use it as a daily rig, You shouldn't skip lower types. 5650, 5660 for example. They are much more low leakage ones, can be handled better with air cooler. The bigger ones that I've seen were real tough ones. They are hotter however no need for high vcore but sometimes You can't reach the clocks compared with a smaller type. (that's only a consequence from only a few cpus, but maybe it can be helpful)
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 3, 2018 19:35:54 GMT -5
Uncore has major influence at ram speeds but it became really useful if You have stronger rams on the rig. If You have 1200 mhz rams a lower level can be enough but if You wants to see performing a strong 2000mhz set, there isn't a level of uncore what You don't need. I didn't have many 1366 chips but maybe if You thinking to use it as a daily rig, You shouldn't skip lower types. 5650, 5660 for example. They are much more low leakage ones, can be handled better with air cooler. The bigger ones that I've seen were real tough ones. They are hotter however no need for high vcore but sometimes You can't reach the clocks compared with a smaller type. (that's only a consequence from only a few cpus, but maybe it can be helpful) Point taken.
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Post by ground on Nov 4, 2018 7:28:37 GMT -5
As for daily CPU I would get the x5675 as recommended over the x5680 even, as far as I've seen (mostly by others) the former is usually the better bin with the lower TDP. I had an W3680 that needed over 1.4V to be stable at 4.0 GHz; my better CPUs do 4.5+ at that voltage (2x E5640, 1x E5649, 1xE5620(4.7 32m at 1.3V, BCLK limited at ambient, can max out multipliers with reasonable voltages), 1xW3520(4.5 32m at 1.28V). Keep in mind those are the best out of 80+ CPUs I've binned on this platform.
Uncore makes some difference in benches, I have a couple CPUs that can do 4600+ at ambient with sensible voltage. Beyond 4.6 its usually not worth it, but trying around with different values doesn't hurt.
All the x5650s I've had so far were pretty garbage, haven't had one that could do 4.4 benchstable at 1.4V or less (which is the cutoff for me for a good chip).
As for RAM, see if you can find a kit of hypers, they are usually best for this platform.
As for max vcore for 32nm - I've done some testing with a binning reject E5640 a while back and noticed slight degradation (~15MHz) after just 3 days of running 1.53V with load temps of 80°C.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 4, 2018 7:38:20 GMT -5
Thank you for the info. Been doing some research and decided you're right. X5675 is the way to go. Lower TDP means everything on just air. Don't know if I'm being unrealistic but kinda looking toward 4.5 or better 6c/12t @ 1.4v ish. Hypers are the preferred ram. I do not own a set. I am looking. I got a ton of PSC here.
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Post by bullant on Nov 4, 2018 7:55:10 GMT -5
Nice find mate
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 4, 2018 8:07:40 GMT -5
Indeed. I'm pleased. Much faster than my current FX daily. Haven't had an Intel daily in a long long time.
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Post by alpi on Nov 4, 2018 9:10:36 GMT -5
Thank you for the info. Been doing some research and decided you're right. X5675 is the way to go. Lower TDP means everything on just air. Don't know if I'm being unrealistic but kinda looking toward 4.5 or better 6c/12t @ 1.4v ish. Hypers are the preferred ram. I do not own a set. I am looking. I got a ton of PSC here. With a little luck, 4.5 is doable I think. What wrong with Psc's ? Worked pretty good at mine rigs.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 4, 2018 11:53:22 GMT -5
Nothing. I just don't have a triple channel kit.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 4, 2018 12:31:11 GMT -5
Just picked up a X5660. Couldn't pass on the price. $8 - free ship
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Post by alpi on Nov 4, 2018 13:05:38 GMT -5
Just picked up a X5660. Couldn't pass on the price. $8 - free ship If it's a super crap one it's still good price for a socket protector.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 4, 2018 13:32:38 GMT -5
That's pretty much the only reason I bought it. lol
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Post by Bones on Nov 4, 2018 15:47:08 GMT -5
Same here, grabbed the Impact board to make a smaller daily and get to use the 7700K. I stopped using the Hero because it kept revving the CPU cooling fan up and down, annoying to say the least and eventually drove me to stop using it but this board doesn't do it.
Slapped the Susanoo onboard and it's perfect. However to be fair the cooler setup I had on it at the time (Tt OCK Frio) was powered and controlled through the CPU fan header, the Susanoo is powered via a Molex connector and has it's own speed controller. I couldn't use the Susanoo at the time because the backplate wasn't right, after I got the Impact board I modded the Susanoo's mounting backplate to make it work properly with an 1151 socket setup and it does now. Everything works great, certainly much faster than the AM3 daily I had been using with my Phenom II 720 BE chip. I guess my problem now would be what to do with the Hero board, still works fine but now it's just sitting. Maybe I'll grab another chip for it one day.
EDIT: Grabbed a 7350K, should be good enough and let me finally use the 7700K for a little benching if I want.... Or maybe bench this chip but will probrably do both in the end.
I do know which board I'll be using for that either way.
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Post by Aleslammer on Nov 12, 2018 19:29:58 GMT -5
Been playing with a X5675 and ECC Reg RAM so far no luck, so put my favorite RAM in set 4.6 to see how little vCore I could get by with while pushing the chip. Bench stable it is not and using 8c fluid but will give an idea potential.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 12, 2018 19:50:20 GMT -5
Gives me a pretty good idea. Tells me I'm gonna be in the same 4.2-4.3 range on air that I am now with the 930. Just a couple more c/t. Have to whip together a mount for the chiller.
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