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Post by Vinster on Oct 25, 2018 11:31:03 GMT -5
I've read a little about the DID setting. still Witch Craft to me...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 25, 2018 15:48:34 GMT -5
Well it seems to me that the multiplier has it's own sort of reference clock called FID. You can change strictly the Cpu multiplier or use FID and DID instead where you cannot change the actual CPU reference clock unless this board is simply missing that function.
Pete has 4 Ryzen chips. He'd know better than any one what the heck is going on here.
Truthfully I've been gaming on all sorts of levels. I've ran a couple of servers (LAN) and did some gaming while stressing some cores with Prime95 and such, but nothing super serious like ripping DVDs while gaming or the likes.
In other words, this 16 threads greatly serves well on a ton of different fronts. Couldn't imagine only having 8 threads again lol. My poor wife stuck with an Opteron 1389 (If that's the right part number) based off Phenom II as it where. It seems super laggy and slow.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 25, 2018 16:39:53 GMT -5
A bios update should fix the memory speed. Thats great it overclocks Ok I thought only the X boards were overclockable. Good Luck
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 27, 2018 18:25:00 GMT -5
Ok here is a preliminary run. I flashed the bios on the Crosshair VI with the latest for 2700X support and its changed a few things FID and DID are gone Baseclock is still there and it actually has CPU multiplier but I have now got Synchronous and Asynchronous mode when I select Asynchronous mode its got 2 baseclocks. I only know that the second ones an external one or something I am thinking it might be HT link or could be NB frequency I havent played with it yet. This is in Synchronous mode all throttling turned off it will clock higher but doesnt complete cine the answer could be in this second baseclock. As I said this was only about an hour of playing last night before I went to bed I will have to test some more today and find some reading on it and what is exactly going on with it.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 28, 2018 7:31:42 GMT -5
Wow. Thats quite a bit of voltage there Pete. On liquid? Is it chilled?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 28, 2018 9:28:36 GMT -5
Atmospheric water its not shutting off. All throttling is turned off it needs voltage to stop it crashing. AMD have done a very good job with there power management and throttling at 4.3 with lower voltage and power management it does throttle. Weaker benches it will run 4.4 no problems The 1800X was the same it would throttle with power management I used to give it 1.52 volt to keep it stable with power management off at 4.2G I am not interested in throttling benchmark score is what I want. They dont have a lot of Overclock headroom you will find until they get cold. Here is what it looks like at the moment she is going cold tomorrow.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 28, 2018 16:40:09 GMT -5
Can't wait to see your results Pete. additional comment: I run 4.1ghz @ 1.253v on a load, it does droop from 1.286v according to cpu-z monitoring while running Cinebench R15. Should I be using more than this? (Current gaming clocks, could run just 3.7ghz and produce the same frame rates due to lower res and GTX 580 bottle necking lol) I'll have to play a little harder and see what voltage I should need. I don't think I was over 1.4-1.45v at 4.3ghz. Didn't experience issues until 4350-4400mhz and stopped there. Stock air cooler....
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 28, 2018 16:59:29 GMT -5
Once it gets up to 4.3 with no throttling you will need more voltage and frequency to voltage will rise quick.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 28, 2018 17:02:48 GMT -5
Oh I believe you!
What voltage would be unsafe on stock air Pete? I really don't want to break this quite yet.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 28, 2018 17:58:44 GMT -5
On stock air I wouldnt go much over 1.45 volt maybe not quite that much 1.42 and leave the standard power targets on it will throttle to save itself.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 28, 2018 19:11:42 GMT -5
At what temp does throttling start. I'm not sure I've experienced this issue yet. I only used up to 1.45v for any given clock speed.
At 4350mhz, I experienced a low volt hang up a few times. I guess that's about the point the extra .1v comes in handy. Right now playing on 4.2ghz on all cores and 1.40v. It looks to drop pretty hard at this frequency all the way down to 1.352v and completes Cinebench R15 with 1842cb scoring. You're right about this motherboard. It's not quite adequet to handle this chip with a "serious" overclock judging how hard the voltage droops. Scary. May have to run 1.52v to maintain a 1.45v load at 4.4ghz. That explains a lot.
But as it seems, this chip here doesn't really mind being in the under 1.4v range at anything 4.2ghz and lower all cores.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Oct 28, 2018 20:56:55 GMT -5
Here is a cold Cine wouldnt pass at 5.3 I need more time with it after the TC is over I will spend some more time with it and get some of these secondary voltages dialled in. I am happy with it for now considering a only played with it for a couple of hours on water.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 28, 2018 21:24:57 GMT -5
Looks good. I need to push my fear aside lol.
So how are you implementing Atmospheric pressure to your water loop. You mean ambient water to air temp; no chilling?
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Post by Vinster on Oct 29, 2018 11:38:18 GMT -5
wow, my 1700x didn't play that nicely with voltages...
hmm...
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 29, 2018 15:32:10 GMT -5
wow, my 1700x didn't play that nicely with voltages... hmm... Vin Can you explain what you mean by didn't play nicely?
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Post by Vinster on Oct 29, 2018 20:56:26 GMT -5
wow, my 1700x didn't play that nicely with voltages... hmm... Vin Can you explain what you mean by didn't play nicely? it was rough to get to 4.1Ghz and needed more voltage than I was comfortable with.
Vin
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Post by cbjaust on Oct 30, 2018 2:33:13 GMT -5
Ok here is a preliminary run. I flashed the bios on the Crosshair VI with the latest for 2700X support and its changed a few things FID and DID are gone Baseclock is still there and it actually has CPU multiplier but I have now got Synchronous and Asynchronous mode when I select Asynchronous mode its got 2 baseclocks. I only know that the second ones an external one or something I am thinking it might be HT link or could be NB frequency I havent played with it yet. This is in Synchronous mode all throttling turned off it will clock higher but doesnt complete cine the answer could be in this second baseclock. As I said this was only about an hour of playing last night before I went to bed I will have to test some more today and find some reading on it and what is exactly going on with it. Asynchronous mode separates the CPU core clock from the infinity fabric/PCIe clock. Last I read it was detrimental to performance. which particular knobs do you twiddle on the C6H to disable throttling?
ShrimpBrime at 4.2 GHz with a CB15 score of 1842, what were your memory settings? I can manage just over 1900 with my 1800X at less than 4.2GHz...
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 30, 2018 16:00:35 GMT -5
I was running default speeds. Wont do over 1200 stable with the current or previous 2 bios revisions. So as I stated earlier, Im waiting to see more bioses released and hope for better performance and compatibility.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 9, 2018 19:47:24 GMT -5
OK so now I have a powerful multitasking processor and gotta use it. At least a little bit. SO, decided to run some F@H, or for those that don't know, means Folding at Home.
The idea behind F@H is folding proteins to find and simulate a mis-fold where the protein seems to augment or mutate into dieses such as Cancer HIV and many others to help aid in finding cures. Figure out how to repair or prevent mis-folding proteins is a big key towards cures.
For many years, in the past I've tested processors and run F@H for true overclock loading scenarios. While the F@H program and packets have changed through the years, they've implemented a browser version that requires absolutely no install. Which is kinda nice imo. There are teams of people that fold for points and I've mostly folded for ExtremeOverClockingForums accumulating over 4.6 million points but only equates to 0.04% of the entire teams points lol.
Anyhow, I've got the F@H browser going and monitoring, while having the F@H setting on Full. This uses more cores to help fold at a faster rate. It uses all 16 threads but only loads up to 75% total load. Currently running 4.2ghz all cores and have an average cpu temp between 57c and 61c on stock cooling. So far I've only completed a few packets of proteins, so I'm gonna let it run while I'm near and see how hot it gets to a max temp. right now cpu is at 81% load. it jumps from 74% to 83% during folding.
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Post by Vinster on Nov 9, 2018 21:53:06 GMT -5
OK so now I have a powerful multitasking processor and gotta use it. At least a little bit. SO, decided to run some F@H, or for those that don't know, means Folding at Home. The idea behind F@H is folding proteins to find and simulate a mis-fold where the protein seems to augment or mutate into dieses such as Cancer HIV and many others to help aid in finding cures. Figure out how to repair or prevent mis-folding proteins is a big key towards cures. For many years, in the past I've tested processors and run F@H for true overclock loading scenarios. While the F@H program and packets have changed through the years, they've implemented a browser version that requires absolutely no install. Which is kinda nice imo. There are teams of people that fold for points and I've mostly folded for ExtremeOverClockingForums accumulating over 4.6 million points but only equates to 0.04% of the entire teams points lol. Anyhow, I've got the F@H browser going and monitoring, while having the F@H setting on Full. This uses more cores to help fold at a faster rate. It uses all 16 threads but only loads up to 75% total load. Currently running 4.2ghz all cores and have an average cpu temp between 57c and 61c on stock cooling. So far I've only completed a few packets of proteins, so I'm gonna let it run while I'm near and see how hot it gets to a max temp. right now cpu is at 81% load. it jumps from 74% to 83% during folding. Can you share the link? I'm out of touch with it. I used to fold with my GPU's and do WCG with my CPU in the day.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 9, 2018 23:28:22 GMT -5
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 10, 2018 17:11:09 GMT -5
Ah yes. Based on past history, it seems I can average in an hour what I could do with a quad core AMD from past folding adventures. So what took an entire 24 hrs to complete is done in a matter of double digit time periods. How sweet. It took me years to hit 4 million points with CPU and GPU folding. Now running only a single thread 2700X processor, I can be truly folding to power used efficient and achieve far better results. Did about 4370pts in no time. Here's my F@H client page. stats.foldingathome.org/donor/ShrimpBrimeEOCF stats tracker team page. folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=11314EOCF ALL TEAMS page. folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_list.php?s=Nice and steady at 57.3c @ 78% cpu load. Pulling less than 100w on the cpu a tad over 100w total system load. In the past would be nearly twice the wattage usage total system load, and in most cases slightly less cpu wattage usage @ full load on a Phenom II or FX quad core. If I ran this as 8 threads, could cut wattage spending in half but take twice as long to complete work units but still would be over twice as fast as previous AMD processors of 4 cores/threads. Since I did not fold much with FX 8 cores, the returns where that to a similar Phenom II x6 core processor which only improved computing power slightly compared to today's AMD and Intel processors. Couldn't imagine this processing power comparison 10 years ago.
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Post by Vinster on Nov 11, 2018 16:04:50 GMT -5
I did it for a few years myself.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 11, 2018 22:25:55 GMT -5
Nice. I remember folding on an 8800 Ultra. It made a really nice space heater in the winter months lol.
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Post by Bones on Nov 11, 2018 22:55:54 GMT -5
I tried it some years ago and "Broke -in" my now older GTX 560-448 card doing it.
I wasn't doing too bad but the cost of electricity doing it made my bill go up and the wife noticed - If she says something about it then must have been significant enough it could have been a problem getting the bill paid so I stopped. Maybe one day I'll pick it up again but certainly not as things are now.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 12, 2018 16:49:28 GMT -5
It's a little more costly running a GPU client. That is for certain. The browser version loads processor only. At the light setting it uses about 12% of cpu including cutting 8 threads completely off. And it looks like every other thread, so it's running on the main cores. Using very little energy in this fashion. This is a great program for a 24 hour burn in. To balance the bill, I chase the kids around shutting off lights
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 26, 2018 18:36:46 GMT -5
I really don't understand how these numbers work though. So manually Overclock from base of 3.7ghz to 4.1ghz. Here's how I've been doing it....
205 FID 10 DID and cpu multi is 41x Where are we getting a frequency change shown in bios at 205 FID to achieve 4.1Ghz while the Cpu multiplier is 41x which would be the base reference clock is still only 100mhz....
However my NB frequency is only 1064mhz which matches my DRAM frequency.
OK, so why am I changing the FID and DID? Does it do anything at all?>
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 26, 2018 22:54:13 GMT -5
I am not exactly sure what DID does I have never worried about it FID is the multiplier on the Crosshair VI
There is no NB frequency adjustment with Ryzen its tied to mem speed faster mem speed will give you faster NB frequency
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Nov 27, 2018 19:47:56 GMT -5
Interesting. I'm at a loss with it then as I have a direct Cpu multiplier setting along with FID and DID settings... Confused, I just run the Multi on Auto and 205x10 (currently) and been testing Memory frequencies, with no good change to the bios.
So @ 1333, it's pretty stable, but won't pass any long stress testing while for daily use it seems ok.
Cpu-z doesn't seem to read my memory timings correctly. Say I'm running 16-17-19 while in bios it reads 16-17-17.
Gah back to 1064 @ 15-15-15 and just deal with the small performance loss HAHA>
Not sure I like this board, but it seems to do ok even with the stock cooler. Haven't encountered any throttling yet Pete. Max temp @ 62c @ 4.1ghz and 64c @ 4.2ghz (daily clocks) Seems to run a tad cooler at 4.1ghz (default voltage *Auto) while loaded Fully is at 1.384v, I've seen it drop to 1.363v and hold steady.
Happy with the 2700X though. All around fast as Fk for the price I paid for the setup imo.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 27, 2018 20:19:13 GMT -5
With the Crosshair VI when I had the 1800X in it it had DID and FID but no actual multi. When I put the 2700X in it I flashed the Bios with USB flashback and when booted was greeted with the 2 baselocks but still no actual multi.
They go good I am sure you would be happy with it Jon
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