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Post by funsoul on Sept 28, 2018 19:21:37 GMT -5
Hiya Folks!
Been a while....hope ya'll are all doing well in your personal lives (you're tearing it up as usual on the benching front).
Trying to get the subject motherboard up and running with 2x ram in dual channel.
Gave the board a thorough cleaning including in and around all slots. Also cleaned the ram. Each of the 2 sticks work in slots 1 and 2 in single-stick/channel mode without issues. Neither stick works in slots 3 and 4 in single-stick/channel mode but that may be as designed? I've cleaned the slots multiple times using a soft cloth to thoroughly clean inside each slot. Didn't help (but boy oh boy are those slots squeeky clean now hehe).
For overclocking, the manual states to use slots 2 and 4. With 1 stick in slot 2 and another in slot 4, the LED shows the system hanging at the ram stage and results in a never-ending loop of long, single beeps (which both point to an issue with the ram). Sticks in slots 1/3, 1/4, 2/3, and, 2/4 the result is the same....stuck at LED3 (ram) and single, long beeps (ram).
Am I missing something or are slots 3 and 4 dead (or otherwise non-functional)? Thinking it may (possibly) vDDR related, set the bios voltage to 2.8v (the sticks are rated at 2.6v so just a slight nudge). Did tests with 6 sticks total, all with the same results (slots 1 and 2 seem fine but anything in 3 or 4 results in hang and long beeps).
Any thoughts, ideas, tips, etc?? Input would be much appreciated. Shrimpy seemed to suggest it may be a bios issue? Tia!
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 28, 2018 19:36:18 GMT -5
1 single stick in the orange slot closest to the CPU, does it boot? If yes, flash bios to what ever one you're going to use. You WILL need to flash the bios. Your current one is untrustable. Make sure the battery is 2.8v or better. DFI's do funky things when it's much below that. After the bios flash, shut it down, add the other stick to the other orange slot. Good to see you Steph.
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Post by funsoul on Sept 28, 2018 19:43:41 GMT -5
Hey Scott! Wow...thanks for the extra speedy reply! No sir...board will only boot with 1 stick in one of the 2 slots furthest from the cpu. Since all my batteries are low, will grab one tomorrow, give it a try and report back. Good seein' you man! Hope you're well.
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Post by funsoul on Sept 29, 2018 9:27:42 GMT -5
Dropped a brand new battery in, board still refuses to post with anything in those first 2 slots closest to the cpu. From my "please help" thread at ocf...got this comment "Oh, and Kingston sticks have always been a pain for me to get working with a DFI board. Don't think I have ever gotten a Kingston stick to work with any of my DFI boards (SLI-DR, SLI-DR Expert, SLI-D)."
Could that be the problem?
And yes...you know I also need a bios recommendation and actual bios :/
Also...quick question in the hopes this thing gets running. In windows (xp), I can't control the vcore nor vddr using the oc tool (controls are there but greyed out). Is that normal or am I having another problem? Not sure whether it's relevant but am trying all this with an opty 148.
Tia (again)
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 29, 2018 9:39:25 GMT -5
Kingston TCCD could be an issue. Kingston BH-5 is no issue. Nothing can control voltage within windows on a NF4 board except external volt mods. Have to do it all in bios. You need to set it up however it runs to get the bios flashed. My personal recommendation is the 623 TCCD bios attached here. I also attached CMOS clear instructions. DFI's are very particular. DFI CMOS clear.txt (1.3 KB) N4D623-3TCCD.zip (392.65 KB) For best memory frequency runs, Venice core @ stock voltage is best. Air cooling is fine. A little on the warm side is better. Nothing wrong with doing it on that Opty though. Same things apply. Allen is using the 329 bios, but he is a memory anomaly anyway. lol
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Post by funsoul on Sept 29, 2018 9:52:58 GMT -5
Still stuck in the same place. Wondering if I got the wrong battery...2032, 3v.
Will follow the clear cmos instructions and flash the bios tomorrow. Starts no problem with a single stick in one of the 2 ram slots furthest away from the cpu.
One thing that's different post battery replacement is that of my 3 sets of sticks, only one of the sets will actually let me post now. Something seems just SO wrong as any of the 6 sticks worked in those slots yesterday. :/
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 29, 2018 10:08:02 GMT -5
It's the right battery. Try the CMOS clear first. Bios is definitely corrupted to an extent. Need to flash that any way you can. Lemme know how it goes.
I can send you a pre flashed bios chip if it comes to it. They're socketed on that board. Pop out, pop in.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 29, 2018 16:43:29 GMT -5
Glad you found your way over here! Good to see you!
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Post by funsoul on Sept 29, 2018 20:33:07 GMT -5
Thanks Shrimpydude! Always a pleasure to see you and the crew man. Wow...clearing cmos is a bit more complicated that what the manual describes hehe Does it HAVE to be a ps2 keyboard or will a usb one with a usb>ps2 adaptor work?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 29, 2018 20:36:55 GMT -5
It is. But it's the only way on these boards. The instructions were directly from DFI Street. I was a member there until it's demise. Has to be native PS2. Find an old one somewhere.
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Post by funsoul on Sept 30, 2018 9:00:37 GMT -5
Thanks Scott! I'll dig around. Clearing cmos using the instructions in the manual reset all bios values to default but will follow your approach. If I can't find a ps2 keyboard laying around (pretty sure I still have a ps2 mouse/kbd here somewhere), figure I'll try flashing the bios anyway (unless you recommend against it) to see if that helps with the wonkyslots issue.
Wifey has a substantial honey-do list today *groan* so it could be a while before playtime. :/
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 30, 2018 9:53:29 GMT -5
Wifey has a substantial honey-do list today *groan* so it could be a while before playtime. :/ Mine too. Lemme know how it goes. I'll be here if you need anything.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 30, 2018 10:03:00 GMT -5
Ah you gave him the looong clear cmos instructions. Very good.
My to do list goes back years. Still avoiding some projects here and there. Lol
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 30, 2018 10:09:20 GMT -5
He should be fine. If that's the board I tested, I know it works fine. Just have to get him dialed in.
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Post by funsoul on Sept 30, 2018 12:00:36 GMT -5
Thanks guys....ya'll are frickin' awesome as always. Yep...'tis the same one Scotty Doesn't mean anything, of course...my hardware-fu training has provided me with the component finger of death. Too bad my control over it is still weak, I seem to have a knack for making things die randomly. ;P Agreed...the current honey-do list is fairly epic and has a number of longstanding items I'll avoid as long as possible. hehe
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Sept 30, 2018 18:39:22 GMT -5
Is it fixed if not try reseating the CPU in the Socket as you close the socket put light pressure on the side of the CPU in the direction the socket closes so the pins go into the tapers in the socket better one of the pins is probably not making good contact in its taper. My Ultra D done this the other week first 2 slots wouldnt work a channel is down that was the fix.
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Post by ozz on Sept 30, 2018 19:02:02 GMT -5
cant be sure as i really cant remember but i had a problem on a board similar to this a long while ago now and i think you can take the socket cover off and it exposes the pins, 2 pins side by side like in a y shape and the cpu and pins slide into them to make contact when you lock the cpu in, i found 1 of the sides was opened up more than the others, so i got a small pointy tweezers i think and closed the pin entry gap up on all the pins and it fixed my problem, damned if i can remember what was wrong with it back then or what board it was, something you could check anyway, may help , may not
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 30, 2018 19:05:06 GMT -5
I leave mine plugged in for a day or two psu on. First post one stick. 2nd post 2nd stick. Must manually set your memory if it doesnt like the timing set from the modded bios. I never turn the psu off. The caps are old but like the sustained charging. Once in windows with a loose bios, start squeezing them tight. Most of the time the sub timings are ok, but check them if you need to. And lastly, a little extra ram voltage above stock to start with to help prevent droopage.
Dang hardware is as old as my to do list lol.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 30, 2018 19:08:36 GMT -5
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Post by Mr.Scott on Sept 30, 2018 19:28:12 GMT -5
Not necessary on the DFI's. Already has more voltage than you'll ever use right in the bios.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Sept 30, 2018 20:17:52 GMT -5
I used that sight for 940 pin mods. Was able to get .5v extra on that board I sent ya
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Post by Mr.Scott on Oct 1, 2018 18:09:07 GMT -5
I used that sight for 940 pin mods. Was able to get .5v extra on that board I sent ya Noted. I will need that.
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Post by funsoul on Oct 1, 2018 20:30:13 GMT -5
Thanks guys!!! Couldn't find my dang ps/2 stuff :/ Ordered one cheap, should be here by Friday. Will check cpu seating (ozzie- hoping to not remove that cover and start digging around but appreciate the tip and may try it if nothing else works). Been giving the ram 2.9v, haven't played with timings at all yet, waiting until I can actually get the 2nd channel working.
Did flash the bios to the one Scott was kind enough to provide.
OT but ah well- In the downtime...quickly tested both of my ddr2/775 boards, they refuse to post but they sure power cycle really, really well. Tried multiple cpus and single sticks. Clean boards, socket pins all look fine. Karma must be off. :/
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Post by ozz on Oct 1, 2018 21:04:02 GMT -5
Thanks guys!!! Couldn't find my dang ps/2 stuff :/ Ordered one cheap, should be here by Friday. Will check cpu seating (ozzie- hoping to not remove that cover and start digging around but appreciate the tip and may try it if nothing else works). Been giving the ram 2.9v, haven't played with timings at all yet, waiting until I can actually get the 2nd channel working. Did flash the bios to the one Scott was kind enough to provide. OT but ah well- In the downtime...quickly tested both of my ddr2/775 boards, they refuse to post but they sure power cycle really, really well. Tried multiple cpus and single sticks. Clean boards, socket pins all look fine. Karma must be off. :/ all good man, just another option you may want to look at if other dont work for you, thats a real bitch when they power cycle like that, i have the same issues here with some boards and im stuffed if i can work out why, from working prior to power cycling and no boot at all , its frustrating, they were good boards too
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Post by funsoul on Oct 2, 2018 19:31:55 GMT -5
Oh I hear ya' ozzie...I feel the pain, too Keyboard arrived. The 30 second power button didn't help at all so taped it down, will try in an hour or so and if that doesn't work, will let it sit for about 17 hours (to try again when I get home from work tomorrow). Just to make sure I'm doing it right...dimm2 is the 2nd slot in from the edge of the board (3rd slot away from the cpu), right? Follow the instructions and after setting date/time, loading optimal defaults, save/ecit then successful boot to windows followed by a power down....then is the time to move the stick from dimm2 to dimm4 (the slot closest to the cpu), correct?
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Post by funsoul on Oct 4, 2018 19:56:22 GMT -5
Still not showin' me the love
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 4, 2018 21:03:15 GMT -5
Start from scratch?
System specs. Include everything. Also, what os and is it fresh?
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Post by Mr.Scott on Oct 5, 2018 15:14:28 GMT -5
Still not showin' me the love Send it to me.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Oct 5, 2018 17:05:31 GMT -5
Still not showin' me the love Send it to me. Good idea!! If he was on our benching team, Id have no issue sending mine to him. Did I say that outloud? Oops.
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