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Post by Bones on Jul 20, 2018 18:43:58 GMT -5
I probrably would have said "Is that all?" to make them look one more time.
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Post by ground on Jul 20, 2018 20:00:24 GMT -5
I probrably would have said "Is that all?" to make them look one more time. All the DDR2 >800 they had there sadly, would have liked picking up some more stuff. Has anyone tested P43 boards for BCLK? I'm seeing a 2 DIMM Asus P43 boards starting at 10-15€ so I might go pick one up to play with...
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 20, 2018 20:07:55 GMT -5
Never tried P43 but I would expect it to be similar to P45 maybe look up the manual and see what the bios options are like compared to a similar same brand P45
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Post by Bones on Jul 20, 2018 20:15:52 GMT -5
Never tried P43 but I would expect it to be similar to P45 maybe look up the manual and see what the bios options are like compared to a similar same brand P45 Don't bother with P43, it's not as good as P45.
Those tend to stop around 420 or so on the bus - Got that from Antinomy a long time ago.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jul 20, 2018 20:19:10 GMT -5
I checked the the Bot top was a little over 440 for P43 with the top 20 staring in the 425 give or take a little. Didn't really recognize any of the benchers but Ney.
Bones posted while I was typing.
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2018 20:25:12 GMT -5
ive had several P43 boards ive picked up from the tip junkers, i suppose you could be flukey and get a cracker board but P45 is the go for mine
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Post by ground on Jul 20, 2018 20:30:15 GMT -5
Never tried P43 but I would expect it to be similar to P45 maybe look up the manual and see what the bios options are like compared to a similar same brand P45 Don't bother with P43, it's not as good as P45.
Those tend to stop around 420 or so on the bus - Got that from Antinomy a long time ago.
I kinda feel challenged by that, the P5QL SE looks alright. The tip with the manual stops me from that though - max FSB the BIOS (and maybe the clockgen?) allows is 600 MHz, and thats not even the minimum I want... (though I've seen asus boards exceeded their likely intended limit - my Rampage II overflows above 255 BCLK but works completely fine; boots 261 and runs at least 271 in OS) I'll try getting at least one more P45 board then... I like binning stuff way too much for my budget
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2018 20:34:22 GMT -5
you can get P45 boards that dont want to clock well too, silicone lottery its called, same with cpus, ram, cards, luck of the draw but overall the P45 is reknowned for it, sane as the x48 chipset
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Post by Bones on Jul 20, 2018 20:39:59 GMT -5
I kinda feel challenged by that, the P5QL SE looks alright. The tip with the manual stops me from that though - max FSB the BIOS (and maybe the clockgen?) allows is 600 MHz, and thats not even the minimum I want... (though I've seen asus boards exceeded their likely intended limit - my Rampage II overflows above 255 BCLK but works completely fine; boots 261 and runs at least 271 in OS) I'll try getting at least one more P45 board then... I like binning stuff way too much for my budget The one I have (ASRock P43DE3) won't boot at anything over 230 on the bus and only goes to about 425 with the software that came with the board.
I'd just grab another P45 and be done with it instead of wasting time and money on something that clearly won't get it done.
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Post by ground on Jul 20, 2018 20:47:41 GMT -5
you can get P45 boards that dont want to clock well too, silicone lottery its called, same with cpus, ram, cards, luck of the draw but overall the P45 is reknowned for it, sane as the x48 chipset Yeah, I'm fully aware of that issue. Same applies on my favourite platform (x58), where the board I have now is the best out of 5 (at least 271 BCLK; others topped out at 268/253/230 (died before I could get further)/dead) and a lot of CPUs (I think I've gone through 60 and still have ~30 untested), as well as about a dozen of memory sticks. This 775 venture is fairly small in comparison, I've had a Maximus Extreme that managed ~520 fsb and a gigabyte x38 board that failed above 450, but I only have half a dozen CPU and 2 sticks of memory and am basically restarting from zero (as I sold my non-dead board a while back)
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2018 20:54:29 GMT -5
you can get P45 boards that dont want to clock well too, silicone lottery its called, same with cpus, ram, cards, luck of the draw but overall the P45 is reknowned for it, sane as the x48 chipset Yeah, I'm fully aware of that issue. Same applies on my favourite platform (x58), where the board I have now is the best out of 5 (at least 271 BCLK; others topped out at 268/253/230 (died before I could get further)/dead) and a lot of CPUs (I think I've gone through 60 and still have ~30 untested), as well as about a dozen of memory sticks. This 775 venture is fairly small in comparison, I've had a Maximus Extreme that managed ~520 fsb and a gigabyte x38 board that failed above 450, but I only have half a dozen CPU and 2 sticks of memory and am basically restarting from zero (as I sold my non-dead board a while back) if x58 is your fav platform and you come across a good asrock x58 extreme6 motherboard , let mr paco know, hes been looking for on now for about 4 years
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Post by ground on Jul 20, 2018 21:05:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm fully aware of that issue. Same applies on my favourite platform (x58), where the board I have now is the best out of 5 (at least 271 BCLK; others topped out at 268/253/230 (died before I could get further)/dead) and a lot of CPUs (I think I've gone through 60 and still have ~30 untested), as well as about a dozen of memory sticks. This 775 venture is fairly small in comparison, I've had a Maximus Extreme that managed ~520 fsb and a gigabyte x38 board that failed above 450, but I only have half a dozen CPU and 2 sticks of memory and am basically restarting from zero (as I sold my non-dead board a while back) if x58 is your fav platform and you come across a good asrock x58 extreme6 motherboard , let mr paco know, hes been looking for on now for about 4 years I'm done buying boards for a while until I figure out the max of my Rampage II, I'm fairly certain its not maxed out yet, its a lot more stable then my x58a-oc was at the highest BCLK it could handle... Thing is I'll probably need to get at like 50 CPUs to beat my current top BCLK... (I've posted a small writeup on binning x58 CPUs for max BCLK on bench talk)
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Post by ozz on Jul 20, 2018 21:29:39 GMT -5
if x58 is your fav platform and you come across a good asrock x58 extreme6 motherboard , let mr paco know, hes been looking for on now for about 4 years I'm done buying boards for a while until I figure out the max of my Rampage II, I'm fairly certain its not maxed out yet, its a lot more stable then my x58a-oc was at the highest BCLK it could handle... Thing is I'll probably need to get at like 50 CPUs to beat my current top BCLK... (I've posted a small writeup on binning x58 CPUs for max BCLK on bench talk) yes but that wasnt my point was it, if you come across 1 in your travels, let frank know about it
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Post by casanova on Jul 20, 2018 21:30:31 GMT -5
Don't bother with P43, it's not as good as P45.
Those tend to stop around 420 or so on the bus - Got that from Antinomy a long time ago.
I kinda feel challenged by that, the P5QL SE looks alright. The tip with the manual stops me from that though - max FSB the BIOS (and maybe the clockgen?) allows is 600 MHz, and thats not even the minimum I want... (though I've seen asus boards exceeded their likely intended limit - my Rampage II overflows above 255 BCLK but works completely fine; boots 261 and runs at least 271 in OS) I'll try getting at least one more P45 board then... I like binning stuff way too much for my budget I did started to bin cpu's like 3 years ago, but as you said it's too expensive for pocket so i quit and started to be happy by just tuning what i have, even if that's far from good hardware, if it can be overclocked, it deserves to know it's limits. For me this is the real fun, overclock what you have, for fun, no compromise.
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Post by ground on Jul 21, 2018 14:09:11 GMT -5
So, board arrived, first score for me (doubt I'm reaching the limit of the board here, I'm running into way too many issues with voltage settings not saving): Ground/E8400/OCZ Reaper DDR2 1200/Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3/Air / 559.98 Gonna throw a different CPU in later and throw the system under water later tonight (once its colder outside - 30C ambient is terrible for benching at ambient...)
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Post by Vinster on Jul 21, 2018 15:28:24 GMT -5
re-flash the Bios, mine was acting really funny. after a re-flash, it still has quirks, but not nearly as bad.
great clocks out of that board. what was your MCH voltage/reference if you don't mind me asking.
Vin
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Post by ground on Jul 21, 2018 15:40:51 GMT -5
re-flash the Bios, mine was acting really funny. after a re-flash, it still has quirks, but not nearly as bad.
great clocks out of that board. what was your MCH voltage/reference if you don't mind me asking.
Vin I reflashed earlier, its still messy but much better indeed. CPU Clock Ratio 6x CPU Host Frequency: 510 PCIe: 100 Advanced Clock Control: (CPU Clock Drive 1000, PCIe Clock drive 700) DRAM: Performance Enhance: Turbo Extreme Memory Profile: Disabled MCM Freq Latch: 333MHz System Memory Multiplier: 2.0 DRAM Timings: Auto (it was freaking out on manual settings) Voltages: Vcore: 1.4V CPU Termination: 1.2V CPU PLL: 1.57V CPU Reference: 0.73V MCH Core: 1.4V MCH Reference: 0.72V MCH/DRAM Reference: 1.16V DRAM Voltage: 2.2V Everything else is left on Auto, and with 1.5V MCH I can get up to 570, but I hope that isn't all. Anything I missed/should try changing? I now have a water block on CPU/NB, so temps are pretty much under control now...
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jul 21, 2018 16:04:38 GMT -5
Ha! I DO have a 775 board that works. Found an Abit AW9D-Max in the closet. Never been run. Still in the original box. 975X chipset, what can I expect? Remember, I suck at 775.
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Post by ozz on Jul 21, 2018 16:51:24 GMT -5
Ha! I DO have a 775 board that works. Found an Abit AW9D-Max in the closet. Never been run. Still in the original box. 975X chipset, what can I expect? Remember, I suck at 775. ah youll handle it easy scotty, if pete can walk me thru it on a 775 board, youll do it standing on your ear, i think they like SB voltage too, 1.3. 1.4v cant fully remember, pete will tell ya tho
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Post by Vinster on Jul 21, 2018 17:09:12 GMT -5
re-flash the Bios, mine was acting really funny. after a re-flash, it still has quirks, but not nearly as bad.
great clocks out of that board. what was your MCH voltage/reference if you don't mind me asking.
Vin I reflashed earlier, its still messy but much better indeed. CPU Clock Ratio 6x CPU Host Frequency: 510 PCIe: 100 Advanced Clock Control: (CPU Clock Drive 1000, PCIe Clock drive 700) DRAM: Performance Enhance: Turbo Extreme Memory Profile: Disabled MCM Freq Latch: 333MHz System Memory Multiplier: 2.0 DRAM Timings: Auto (it was freaking out on manual settings) Voltages: Vcore: 1.4V CPU Termination: 1.2V CPU PLL: 1.57V CPU Reference: 0.73V MCH Core: 1.4V MCH Reference: 0.72V MCH/DRAM Reference: 1.16V DRAM Voltage: 2.2V Everything else is left on Auto, and with 1.5V MCH I can get up to 570, but I hope that isn't all. Anything I missed/should try changing? I now have a water block on CPU/NB, so temps are pretty much under control now... change Performance Enhance from Turbo to Standard and see if that helps stability.
with mine on turbo I could only get to 510, but on standard I got to 545. with my board if any reference voltage isn't on Auto I can't get past 520. odd and goofy board I have.
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Jul 21, 2018 17:13:04 GMT -5
Ha! I DO have a 775 board that works. Found an Abit AW9D-Max in the closet. Never been run. Still in the original box. 975X chipset, what can I expect? Remember, I suck at 775. you'll do alright, got faith in you El'Capitan
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 21, 2018 17:24:24 GMT -5
Its not a bad start try these settings.
DRAM: Performance Enhance: Turbo Standard Extreme Memory Profile: Disabled MCM Freq Latch: 333MHz Try 400 too System Memory Multiplier: 2.0 DRAM Timings: Auto (it was freaking out on manual settings) 5-6-6-20 try 6-7-7-20 Wont freak out performance enhance is standard. Voltages: Vcore: 1.4V Maybe try a bit more CPU Termination: 1.2V Leave on Auto CPU PLL: 1.57V 1.5v or Auto as noted by Nox Core 2 generally loves low PLL CPU Reference: 0.73V Auto MCH Core: 1.4V 1.56v MCH Reference: 0.72V .87v MCH/DRAM Reference: 1.16V Auto DRAM Voltage: 2.2V These are those Reapers PC9600 they generally dont like voltage 2.1v
The thing that does stand out is Performance Enhance when manually setting timings and overclocking leave it on standard its more of a standard setting booster. These Gigabyte boards are pretty handy at setting a lot of Voltage settings on Auto I got to 640 bus just with CPU Vcore MCH Core MCH Reference Dram voltage All other voltages were on Auto.
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Post by ground on Jul 21, 2018 17:46:54 GMT -5
Gonna try that tomorrow, for today I'm done with this: I'm 99% sure thats not the limit of the board yet; gonna try with your settings again tomorrow (the board started boot looping after crashing in Windows again, so this is one of the more frustrating things to bench - spending 5 minutes after a failed setting to get the board to boot up again...). Every time I get a Gigabyte board I wonder why I bought another one, because so far they have been the most annoying boards I've owned so far... I did notice that Turbo was the issue with the ram, was running that at standard later. Upping CPU clock skew to 100 got me another 5 MHz, but that was the last setting that booted (at all, once again, the thing is boot looping) MCH 1.56V is "Safe" (as in won't kill the board within a couple hours) under ambient (water)? Oh, and a pic of my "bench loop": 15€ Ali Express CPU Block, 7€ Northbridge block, 20€ 3000L/h fountain pump, 180x540x45mm radiator I got on ebay for 36€ + some random fittings and tubing. Leak was fixed before, the water is just from first turning on the pump today Gonna get a cooler box and freeze some bottles eventually...
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 21, 2018 18:54:02 GMT -5
1.56v is fine for the NB you have got water on it. Your getting there.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 21, 2018 20:23:13 GMT -5
Scores updated.
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Post by Aleslammer on Jul 22, 2018 8:05:58 GMT -5
Ha! I DO have a 775 board that works. Found an Abit AW9D-Max in the closet. Never been run. Still in the original box. 975X chipset, what can I expect? Remember, I suck at 775. Your Abit board holds the record for 975X (505 MHz).
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jul 22, 2018 9:00:44 GMT -5
I have a target then.
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Post by stormchaser on Jul 22, 2018 14:31:45 GMT -5
I have a target then. Looks like we are in the same boat more or less. This is my first time overclocking with an e8400 chip! Although I have a little experience with the Q9550 and QX6850 chips. Here is my starting point. I am running 500Mhz FSB and all other MB settings are essentially stock. Air cooling with ThermalRight TRUE Extreme 120. StormChaser / E8400 / Corsair XMS3 1600 (2 x2GB) / Asus P5Q3 / Thermalright True 120MM / 500.0Mhz
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Post by stormchaser on Jul 22, 2018 14:40:11 GMT -5
StormChaser / QX6850 / Corsair XMS3 1600 (2 x4GB) / Asus P5Q3 / Thermalright True 120MM / 412Mhz
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 23, 2018 19:41:18 GMT -5
Storm, when I update later, Ill use the 500mhz submission k?
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