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Post by WhiteWulfe on Jul 11, 2018 16:15:33 GMT -5
WhiteWulfe, have you tried the Rampage Formula BIOS on your P5E works rather well. I'm running s0lor's, or someone's modified 1008 bios on the P5E, it did indeed work well. Stock Rampage Formula bios was nice, but the modified one worked even better and had better drivers loaded in to boot. So yup, it's what got me to break 450ish fsb, and then it was GTL tweaking to get higher than 525, then again for 540... Then like three more cold sessions before I finally cracked the 575 on it. Bios was modified on that one within two weeks of getting it *laughs nervously*
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 11, 2018 17:55:09 GMT -5
Scores have been updated.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 11, 2018 17:58:24 GMT -5
Hadn't tested this board properly before, but it seems nice - although not as good at FSB or mem as my other EP45T-Extreme. Noxinite/E8500/Team Group 2600C10 1x4GB/EP45T-Extreme/Phase + Air/685.7MHz. valid.x86.fr/ivwp7tNice rig! Love the OC. I've always wanted an SS, just never built one. Watched Sparkey build several of them Each time, they got bigger and bigger HAHA!
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 11, 2018 20:58:41 GMT -5
That sounds good Jon you can start big straight off the bat.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 11, 2018 21:55:04 GMT -5
Yep, gotta start somewhere I suppose.
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Post by Vinster on Jul 11, 2018 22:24:03 GMT -5
Vinster / e8400 / Partriot DDR2-1150 / Gigabyte EP45-UD3L / Cold Water / 545Mhz
I am currently stuck here.. I can't get past 545Mhz. VCore @ 1.4v, NB @ 1.68v. Water temp is at 11-13 Degrees.
Best on the bot for this board is 535Mhz. I was able to run 9x545
Running a dual pump setup and water cooling the NB.. Might be the limit of this board. any sporting suggestions?
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Jul 11, 2018 22:31:53 GMT -5
Hadn't tested this board properly before, but it seems nice - although not as good at FSB or mem as my other EP45T-Extreme. Noxinite/E8500/Team Group 2600C10 1x4GB/EP45T-Extreme/Phase + Air/685.7MHz. valid.x86.fr/ivwp7tWhy does windows only see 640mb of memory?
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 11, 2018 23:11:59 GMT -5
Start / Run / Type "MSCONFIG"/ Press Enter / Boot.INI tab / Advanced / set max mem type the amount / Apply. Its something that can help in certain benches and may achieve higher mem frequencies you are only using half the stick.
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Post by noxinite on Jul 12, 2018 3:40:59 GMT -5
Vinster / e8400 / Partriot DDR2-1150 / Gigabyte EP45-UD3L / Cold Water / 545Mhz
I am currently stuck here.. I can't get past 545Mhz. VCore @ 1.4v, NB @ 1.68v. Water temp is at 11-13 Degrees.
Best on the bot for this board is 535Mhz. I was able to run 9x545
Running a dual pump setup and water cooling the NB.. Might be the limit of this board. any sporting suggestions?
Vin
Have you played with the NB GTL? It seems the Gigabyte P45s always need it to be much lower than expected. They are super useful for testing things. This one is a super old N11F model that (I think) is a little devil.
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 7:28:27 GMT -5
GTL? I don't know what that is. I don't think this MB has a GTL. Where would I find that setting? Vin EDIT: I found this... about half way down; www.anandtech.com/print/2354- I have not seen these adjustments on my board. I'll look closer tonight.
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Post by dr4g00n on Jul 12, 2018 8:07:13 GMT -5
Should be CPU Reference & MCH Reference on that board Vin
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 8:17:13 GMT -5
Should be CPU Reference & MCH Reference on that board Vin ah, ok. those are voltages, I have those and always leave them at "Normal" and did notice that if I put them at a voltage that when increasing Vcore/MCH that they also increased... the link that I posted talks to GTL being a % adjustment I guess that's basically the same thing.. I'll have to math out the voltages to see what the % fall in to then. Thanks Vin EDIT: another great article; edgeofstability.com/articles/dfi_p35/gtl/gtl1.html
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Post by WhiteWulfe on Jul 12, 2018 8:49:59 GMT -5
Tweaking GTL's will get you a lot further on most LGA 775 boards... It's the only way I clawed my way up to 575 on the P5E ^_^;;;;;
Every chip has its preference - some of mine like to run a tad hotter, while others prefer slightly lower voltages. I'm just glad my Extreme has more than three settings for such!
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 9:05:43 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks everyone. tonight I'll start low and tick my way up. found a number of threads that talk to using Prime95 to verify settings, makes a lot of sense. I appreciate the input.
I've never clocked FSB this high before, new things to learn.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 12, 2018 17:38:45 GMT -5
Scores updated.
Vin, is that 545mhz posting? Or is that software overclocking?
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 20:21:34 GMT -5
Scores updated. Vin, is that 545mhz posting? Or is that software overclocking? right now I post at 525mhz and SetFSB up to 545Mhz. she get wonky when I post above 530Mhz.
I'm adjusting MHC Reference now, I backed off the NB to 1.6v and confirmed my previous 545Mhz wall.. Now with MCH Ref I'm slowly increasing, but I'm at 0.933v now and before 0.7xx wouldn't boot, hang on Win Logo. in the 0.8xx I can get in to windows but it's very unstable. 0.9xx still in windows but still unstable, 1.xx I get a boot loop. I'm starting to get confused. too much info out there that is contradicting other info, not sure what's right. but right now the one article I've read isn't working with their method (Or I totally didn't get it)
I'm going to put MCH Ref back to Auto and I'm going to increase VTT, I think increasing VTT should increase both CPU Ref and NB Ref as it needs (while being on Auto) and I'll see what that does.
Vin
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 20:22:21 GMT -5
Start / Run / Type "MSCONFIG"/ Press Enter / Boot.INI tab / Advanced / set max mem type the amount / Apply. Its something that can help in certain benches and may achieve higher mem frequencies you are only using half the stick. Ya, ok. that's not working for me. never has. I wondered if there was another way to do that.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 12, 2018 20:25:38 GMT -5
It wont work because you're running x32 operating system.
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 20:40:03 GMT -5
"Windows" is at 640, but CPU-Z doesn't see it that way. Odd. I thought it was the value, I started low and worked it up to 640mb and gave up there and left it. Windows is also reading the wrong clock speed there, my multi is at 6x, not 9x Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 12, 2018 22:20:20 GMT -5
Windows install is corrupt possibly?
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Post by Vinster on Jul 12, 2018 22:57:23 GMT -5
So I'm going to go all noob here. I've never tried getting just high FSB, I've always went for high CPU speeds and with that, I had found to always the CPU be my limiting factor with cooling. Now that the CPU and cooling is out of the way, I'm out of my element and I don't understand what is going on.
So I was having way too many issues with the board at 525-540 with voltages. Didn't matter what I did or what voltage I touched, I could no longer boot at 525 without CPU Term/CPU Ref/MCH Ref not on Auto. So I clawed the FSB back to 333, set all the voltages to their stock settings except VCore at 1.375v and MCH Core 1.6v. and with these settings, CPU-Z would see my 640MB of memory assignment.
Now with the below as a start, in windows with SetFSB I was able to get from 333Mhz to 460Mhz. I ran Prime in Blend, I'd increase FSB by 10mhz, wait 30-60 sec and then increase by 10Mhz again and repeat until a core had an issue, then I'd re-boot adjust 1 thing, test and repeat.
Here was my start;
Line/Load Calibration [Enabled] Ratio ................... 6x Vcore .................. 1.375 v <-- was never touched . barely get above 3.00Ghz CPU Termination .... 1.200 v CPU PLL ............... 1.550 v CPU Reference ...... 0.805 v MCH Core ............ 1.600 v MCH Reference ..... 0.760 v ICH I/O ............... 1.550 v <-- This I never touched ICH Core ............. 1.100 v <-- This I never touched DRAM ................. 2.280 v (Rated at 3.20v) ================================================== From there as I worked my way up, I slowly increased CPU Termination as I increased FSB, as I brought that up CPU/MCH Ref increased (I now get that those are ratio'd together). I found I'd win a little in FSB as I increased CPU Term but then once I got to 480Mhz I'd start losing again and adding more CPU Term wasn't helping. Increasing MCH Ref made things way worst. Then I started to decrease CPU Ref and MCH Ref and I'd start to win again. I did this until I could boot at 505Mhz.
here is what I had changed to get to 505Mhz but I'm getting an odd stuttering like Windows is pausing for a bit and catches up with itself... Windows is not at all stable.
CPU Termination .... 1.500 v <-- with this above 1.46v, CPU-Z no longer sees the 640MB or memory, it's going back to the 1024MB. Higher than 1.5v I boot-loop
CPU PLL ............... 1.850 v CPU Reference ...... 0.934 v <-- 1 tick down and it's at [Normal}, another tick and it's [Auto] MCH Core ............ 1.600 v MCH Reference ..... 0.750 v <-- 1 tick down and it's at [Normal}, another tick and it's [Auto]
Any wisdom that you guys can share. today at work I killed about 2 hours reading "Guides" for wolfdales but none of them where for this kind of overclocking... and you guys that are 550+, my hat is off to you...
So I'm either really missing something, or I've reached the limitation for this board.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 12, 2018 23:01:00 GMT -5
valid.x86.fr/233xfdShrimpBrime / Athlon II X4 640 / Corsair CMT4GX3M2A2000C8 / Biostop A880G+ / Geothermal / 309.99mhz It'll be the lowest score for this comp, but good HTPP @ Vin, Looks like your at a cooling limit IMO. It may just respond better say around -30c or colder. Maybe try knocking off a core and run just single core. Try different memory sticks. Maybe a Peltier on the NB chip.... your options are endless.
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Post by noxinite on Jul 13, 2018 3:42:29 GMT -5
So I'm going to go all noob here. I've never tried getting just high FSB, I've always went for high CPU speeds and with that, I had found to always the CPU be my limiting factor with cooling. Now that the CPU and cooling is out of the way, I'm out of my element and I don't understand what is going on.
So I was having way too many issues with the board at 525-540 with voltages. Didn't matter what I did or what voltage I touched, I could no longer boot at 525 without CPU Term/CPU Ref/MCH Ref not on Auto. So I clawed the FSB back to 333, set all the voltages to their stock settings except VCore at 1.375v and MCH Core 1.6v. and with these settings, CPU-Z would see my 640MB of memory assignment.
Now with the below as a start, in windows with SetFSB I was able to get from 333Mhz to 460Mhz. I ran Prime in Blend, I'd increase FSB by 10mhz, wait 30-60 sec and then increase by 10Mhz again and repeat until a core had an issue, then I'd re-boot adjust 1 thing, test and repeat.
Here was my start;
Line/Load Calibration [Enabled] Ratio ................... 6x Vcore .................. 1.375 v <-- was never touched . barely get above 3.00Ghz CPU Termination .... 1.200 v CPU PLL ............... 1.550 v CPU Reference ...... 0.805 v MCH Core ............ 1.600 v MCH Reference ..... 0.760 v ICH I/O ............... 1.550 v <-- This I never touched ICH Core ............. 1.100 v <-- This I never touched DRAM ................. 2.280 v (Rated at 3.20v) ================================================== From there as I worked my way up, I slowly increased CPU Termination as I increased FSB, as I brought that up CPU/MCH Ref increased (I now get that those are ratio'd together). I found I'd win a little in FSB as I increased CPU Term but then once I got to 480Mhz I'd start losing again and adding more CPU Term wasn't helping. Increasing MCH Ref made things way worst. Then I started to decrease CPU Ref and MCH Ref and I'd start to win again. I did this until I could boot at 505Mhz.
here is what I had changed to get to 505Mhz but I'm getting an odd stuttering like Windows is pausing for a bit and catches up with itself... Windows is not at all stable.
CPU Termination .... 1.500 v <-- with this above 1.46v, CPU-Z no longer sees the 640MB or memory, it's going back to the 1024MB. Higher than 1.5v I boot-loop
CPU PLL ............... 1.850 v CPU Reference ...... 0.934 v <-- 1 tick down and it's at [Normal}, another tick and it's [Auto] MCH Core ............ 1.600 v MCH Reference ..... 0.750 v <-- 1 tick down and it's at [Normal}, another tick and it's [Auto]
Any wisdom that you guys can share. today at work I killed about 2 hours reading "Guides" for wolfdales but none of them where for this kind of overclocking... and you guys that are 550+, my hat is off to you...
So I'm either really missing something, or I've reached the limitation for this board.
Vin
My EP45Ts seem to need around 0.9V NB GTL, but the UD3P I tested needed <0.800V for the NB GTL (when NB is around 1.6V). If that's not your issue than maybe it's the skews/straps? It normally helps if PLL is low as well.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Jul 13, 2018 5:08:24 GMT -5
submitting for fun! will do it again with my gigabyte EP45-UD3R.....expecting around 600. previous best i did is 539.62 on MSI P45 PLATINUM KSATEAAA23/I7 8700K/TRIDENT Z 1800/Z370 ultra gaming - gigabyte/350.95. valid.x86.fr/9aab0n
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jul 13, 2018 16:57:32 GMT -5
scores updated! EDIT: Update OP prize. ShrimpBrime / Phenom II x3 B73 / Corsair CMT4GX3M2A2000C8 / Crosshair IV Formula / Geothermal / 326.06mhz valid.x86.fr/v8aite
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Post by stormchaser on Jul 15, 2018 18:51:06 GMT -5
I have this nagging suspicion that I may have to switch to a dual core to get a decent placing... Not that I mind, I'm running this QX6850 mainly for fun, and kind of can't wait to swap over to an E8400 or E8500 but yeah, something about a quick break-in of this quad core ^_^ I'm in the same boat here having just about pushed my QX6850 to the limit, it's time to switch over to my E8400 and see what my asus P5Q3 is made of while running the dual core chip. For cooling I'm going with my recently acquired Thermalright True 120 Extreme.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 16, 2018 9:23:41 GMT -5
I done a quick setup tonight and reeled this off I will play with it some more tomorrow. Macsbeach98 / E8200 / G.Skill PI / EP45T-UD3R / Water / 590.62mhz valid.x86.fr/38vi0v
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 17, 2018 8:41:12 GMT -5
I played a bit more tonight its marvelous what the change of a CPU can do. Macsbeach98 / E8400 / G.Skill PI / EP45T-UD3R / Water / 642.74mhz valid.x86.fr/gutp0j
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Post by Vinster on Jul 17, 2018 9:03:40 GMT -5
wow, didn't realize the CPU could be so crippling...
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Jul 17, 2018 9:12:50 GMT -5
Very simple settings there Vin. In Advanced Clock Control CPU 1000mv Vcore 1.53v MCH 1.56v MCH ref .870v Ram 1.66v of course yours is DDR2 use required ram voltage. All other voltage settings are on Auto
400Mhz strap ram 2.00D
I am booting at 600 bus and clockgenning it.
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