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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 18:54:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 4:18:37 GMT -5
Been watching this NIK top score for a while ... muahahaha take that NIK with the very same processor KARTA whooped you in Gigabyte comps hwbot.org/submission/3980984_
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Post by ozz on Nov 12, 2018 5:15:58 GMT -5
nice jr forget about what "theyre doin, and worry about what youre doin", youll find scores like youve just got will come more often and easier coz you dont apply any pressure to yourself to beat someones score, so you concentrate on what it takes to get the scores more instead of tryin to take the score off em
never forget the ole saying mate theres always someone else round the corner thats better than you are
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 5:30:50 GMT -5
This is what me & K do best ... knock over nice GTPP for team. I watched NIK alot when he was #3 enthusiast Rev6 Not about being the best, it's do the best with what you have. This 8700K is a weapon ... makes it a whole lot easier than struggling. Scores I've uploaded Cinebench ... I have better here, done last night.ie to upload. _______ So in terms of the fastest Cinebench's loaded to HWbot ever. I have them in the 50x 51x 52x 53x 54x Multi's. R15 11.5 & 2003 55x
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 12, 2018 15:37:18 GMT -5
Nice efficiency.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 17, 2018 15:11:40 GMT -5
now both my g.skill b die 1800 and galax kit 2000 can do 2000 12-12-12-28-2t on z170 oc formula. memory oc is easy on this board. g.skill b die, i was able to tweak it to 1933 12-12-12-28-220-2t on Z370 ULTRA GAMING. next is to try and push it to 2000 12-12-12-28-2t.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 15:17:01 GMT -5
Yes That's why Formula & Apex with x2 ram slots are popular. Using other boards you just fight setting all the time.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 17, 2018 15:26:44 GMT -5
now both my g.skill b die 1800 and galax kit 2000 can do 2000 12-12-12-28-2t on z170 oc formula. memory oc is easy on this board. g.skill b die, i was able to tweak it to 1933 12-12-12-28-220-2t on Z370 ULTRA GAMING. next is to try and push it to 2000 12-12-12-28-2t. Don't bother -
Never found any "gaming" board of whatever brand and socket type to go beyond 3866 tight. All these "consumer" boards and non benching boards are not designed for this kind of memory operation.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 17, 2018 15:33:12 GMT -5
Yes That's why Formula & Apex with x2 ram slots are popular. Using other boards you just fight setting all the time. z370 ultra gaming is a lucky draw prize for my last year country cup effort. otherwise i would not have bought it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 15:41:12 GMT -5
What George said. It wastes you time cheap boards. LoL expensive too, Xpower MSI same thing, cannot get mem speeds up. I don't agree with the modding K of the z170 Formula to do everything. You risk briking it big time, messing around. z170 Formula for like 7700K & nonK skylake z370 Apex X 6 cores & new 9 series with bios update x299 that can be Asus vi Apex, Formula, Evga Dark z390 Keen to see the Evga Dark in that www.anandtech.com/show/13407/intel-z390-motherboard-overview-every-motherboard-analyzed/3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 15:47:32 GMT -5
Yes That's why Formula & Apex with x2 ram slots are popular. Using other boards you just fight setting all the time. z370 ultra gaming is a lucky draw prize for my last year country cup effort. otherwise i would not have bought it. Sell it & put towards something better. Karta here in AUS who I talk to all the time ... told me about his experience in Gigabyte comp " using their best parts " in 5Ghz locked clocks. He said input settings " lucky if it would boot x1 time out of x15 " He went on to win twice against the best overclockers Europe had to offer. What boards has he kept? Formula + Apex Yep he sold all the junk prizes haha
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Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 17, 2018 16:03:02 GMT -5
What George said. It wastes you time cheap boards. LoL expensive too, Xpower MSI same thing, cannot get mem speeds up. I don't agree with the modding K of the z170 Formula to do everything. You risk briking it big time, messing around. z170 Formula for like 7700K & nonK skylake z370 Apex X 6 cores & new 9 series with bios update x299 that can be Asus vi Apex, Formula, Evga Dark z390 Keen to see the Evga Dark in that www.anandtech.com/show/13407/intel-z390-motherboard-overview-every-motherboard-analyzed/3Ahhhh, here is a wise man talking -
I have not dared put exactly that in the HWBOT forums for the flaming I will get.
As though Z170 M-OCF is a multi function - multitasking tool for every job.
Great board, but has limits like everything in life
AND - IT IS NOT RELIABLE - YES GENTS IT IS TOTALLY UNRELIABLE
Poor manufacturing quality. Used to have four of them ( yes 4 ). 1) Bought from Caseking. Never under cold - had not started benching on DICE yet. 2 months. Wake up, turn on, nope. Board has gone belly up - dead. RMA. Next - 2) RMA in - DOA. No more comments. Refund. 3) Third bought from Amazon.de. This operated on DICE. NOW LISTEN TO THAT !!! Pot on, 1 hour cool, 2 hours OK, 3 hours temps start to rise. Say might have broken paste. remove pot. Delid, paste is good, apply new Grizzly Kryonaut, pot tight, temps not ok. Hmmmmm…….
Leave it for next evening. De-assemble everything and let it dry. MEXT EVENING - During pot assembly, I observed that I had to tighten the screws more than usual to have a firm ( but not ultra tight ) assembly. STRANGE. Turn the board upside down - THE WHOLE SOCKET ASSEMBLY HAD STARTED TO BEND TO THE DOWNSIDE. The board from underneath at the socket area was concave
Remove everything, waterblock on, board works, goodbye board on eBay.
4) Like a stubborn mule that I am, I buy a fourth one. Used that only to bin mems. AND IMMEDIATELY SOLD IT. Apex IX was in production. Still have it and is like new.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 19:04:40 GMT -5
Apex have much thinner pcb. Make sure it is mounted to MB plate before install waterblock. My first NEW Apex X purchase in shop " suspect " customer returned, back in stock. Yes George pcb bent hard kink near #1 pci-e slot. Near had a 8.9sec gpupi @ 55x to show K ... bastard bugged. Point is best board, best cpu, best ram "<< mine are good not great " best settings
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Post by ozz on Nov 17, 2018 20:05:43 GMT -5
i had that trouble too, too much mount pressure bends the pcb , it breaks, cracks solder connections in the socket, breaks, splits, cracks tracks in the pcb so i went to a stronger back plate , pcbs are getting thinner and thinner in everything, less money spent and make more boards is their aim, really once you have your heights "right" for your insulation the block, pot really only need to be nipped up from what ive found, i spose with cold cold the past you use would be the key
my fix would be if i had high end boards like what you guys are using for ddr4 would be to get an old board mount out of a pc case, cut a section out or make it bigger if theres one already there where the usual backplate mounts to the board, secure the board to the board mount plate from the case then fit the pot and backplate, the board cant, or would be less susceptible to bend then as its secured by all its mounting holes to the plate , then put it on whatever you bench on i was reading a while back i think the evga ddr4 boards have 8-10-12 and 16 layer pcb boards im sure, obviously i would think to try help board strength for pots and and their mount pressures
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 17, 2018 21:47:30 GMT -5
I dont use any backing plate with late model intel just studs and nuts in the holes on the board dont tighten your waterblocks up so tight and you wont have a problem. With cold I use the kingpin backing plate and I tighten the pot down tight again never had a problem.
Shane even though a 16 layer PCB sounds stronger that has nothing to do with it more layers makes it easier for the manufacturers to crisscross tracks across the board each layer has tracks running in different directions without the layers tracks would have to intersect with other tracks.
As for socket crush from a tight pot its AMD sockets that tend to suffer that fate those sockets are 2 piece with the sliding top plate flimsy and the bottom plastic part of the socket has large holes for the tapers that the CPU pins lock into too much pressure tends to crush them and damage the tapers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 22:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 22:27:45 GMT -5
I dont use any backing plate with late model intel just studs and nuts in the holes on the board dont tighten your waterblocks up so tight and you wont have a problem. Macs while I agree ... most guys will over tighten it's inevitable. Why I used the digital calipers measuring block to board.
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Post by ozz on Nov 17, 2018 22:42:56 GMT -5
paste cover on the block to ihs plate is my measurement, when thats right, the insulation height is right, then with light screw down pressure from the mount springs and thumbnuts,
i dunno about ddr4, havent got any, ddr to ddr3 i know, and pete is right, intel has a far superior socket method for strength, but much easier to repair an amd socket tapers than intel pins if you stuff up however it happens and bend some
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Post by ozz on Nov 18, 2018 0:53:47 GMT -5
settin up the new z77, using the what comes with the waterblock, for it, well what a load of shit, probably fucked the board b4 i even start with it, i used the plastic , silicone spacer supplied with the block, tightened it up snug and this is what you get from that shit from koolance. it just compresses and compresses so you check the thightness and nip it up, so then i said fuck this , ill take this off,and see what it does to the pcb, its straight again, whether ive damaged it already b4 i start, time will tell if it boots, and its a made back plate from koolance, i was a little worried it was too close without the gasket, silicone , shit to some underneath connections, i know what ill be using now, simple , cheap engine gasket paper, but a small roll of it, and cut it to what ever shape you want for the back plate you use at the time, the block is a good block, the silicone backplate gasket is shit.......never use a silicone back plate gasket, !!!
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Post by georgekokovinis on Nov 18, 2018 5:47:17 GMT -5
settin up the new z77, using the what comes with the waterblock, for it, well what a load of shit, probably fucked the board b4 i even start with it, i used the plastic , silicone spacer supplied with the block, tightened it up snug and this is what you get from that shit from koolance. it just compresses and compresses so you check the thightness and nip it up, so then i said fuck this , ill take this off,and see what it does to the pcb, its straight again, whether ive damaged it already b4 i start, time will tell if it boots, and its a made back plate from koolance, i was a little worried it was too close without the gasket, silicone , shit to some underneath connections, i know what ill be using now, simple , cheap engine gasket paper, but a small roll of it, and cut it to what ever shape you want for the back plate you use at the time, the block is a good block, the silicone backplate gasket is shit.......never use a silicone back plate gasket, !!!
Years ago, I made the HUGE mistake to buy a Corsair AIO - H100. Was for a rather simple setup, with an MSI Z97 board and a 4670K cpu with 16gb of G.Skill Trident-X ddr3 memory at 2400. Wife's computer. No OC, nothing. In a box. When the time came to install the AIO head on the cpu I was dismayed to find out that the back plate was a tiny - X like plastic with four tiny holes, where the screws were supposed to fit and hold down the head. But, I thought, who am I to know better than corsair, lol A couple of days OK, then wife says - George it is rebooting every 5 minutes. Temps near 100c. AIO head loose. Retighten screws, but I go and search my boxes filled with bits and bobs. I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING - bastards. Luckily I resourced an adjustable metal backplate, and after some mods managed to fit it. Never had an issue again. Good thing that I never throw away ANYTHING.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 18, 2018 8:10:01 GMT -5
I came on to see what was going on now I could cry I am going to bed.
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Post by Aleslammer on Nov 18, 2018 8:20:33 GMT -5
Ozz, strange never had that problem, did have to remove one of the 2 hole AMD mount tabs on one S115x board because of clearance problems
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Post by ozz on Nov 18, 2018 17:45:32 GMT -5
im furious, the fucking thing wont even power up, no lights nothing, i dont even know if its got any LED start up lights, all i can see is a reset and start button that i would think that should light up when powered up......same cpu, 2500K , gskill 3000 ram, same gpu, all known workers in the ECS board i tried them out in ....this joker had 3 of these boards for sale when i bought it, i reckon they were a demo or display board, and not checked as he said they were, ive had boards bow like that previously and still powered up, as soon as i noticed it i took the bloody thing off , it was on it for 2 minutes so i messaged him and he said send it back and he will pay for the postage, that tells me he knew it wasnt a goer from the start,
fair dinkum, i must be the unluckiest bloke on here when it comes to hware, theres always something fucks up or fails, new or used
why don't you ship it back? I can pay you shipping back cost
best regards
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Post by ozz on Nov 19, 2018 1:44:42 GMT -5
my fault, hands are up, messsaged the seller, apologised as well, told him in detail how and what happened.....the silicone gasket from the Koolance waterblock as standard is garbage, so i put the plate on without, not only did the pcb straighten up pete but still no go, came over , he saw the plate was hitting the cap pins, he said ill fix this in 5 mins, so the board was shorting and not powering up, it didnt damage the board, so i cut a gasket out of roll of mechanical gasket paper, , prob 1/16th thick, did the job perfectly, i ground the backplate back by 1/8" so it was no where near the cap pins, and thats what ill be using from now on , its solid and a perfect insulator, for sticking out cap pins near a socket, also ill be going back to the eye shop for a new set of eyes to see as well, anyway after the 2500k i bought that, got 4800 max and the one bully sent me which i got today with the other items i thank you very much mate , damn nice cpu too, youre a champion, havent tried the rest of you sent me yet but will do, gunna play with ram timings and see first what i can get out of it and what the board will handle, and to pete, thx again mate for pullin me out of the shit, its hard to say on here when you havent or dont know pete , but he knows what i mean. just pure experience and a damn good bloke , let alone the photographic memory and golden fingers with it. im forever endetted to him for his friendship, his support for must be 4 yrs or so now, teaching and showing me what "not to do", what to look for and how to solve it when it comes about , happy chappy here
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 2:58:07 GMT -5
That certainly is good news
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Post by ozz on Nov 19, 2018 19:03:16 GMT -5
yes thx to pete i was very lucky i didnt have a dead board, cpu, ram, or whatever
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Post by Vinster on Nov 25, 2018 9:55:41 GMT -5
the clocks you guys get on such low voltages astounds me. Great one Ozz
Vin
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 14:56:53 GMT -5
hwbot.org/submission/3994961_6536 ... K I think you are hurting score tight timings. I was @ 7300 score 52x. 7400 53x I don't get up a multi added little? Anyways what I did. Set 6400 max mem size in Win10. XMP rams, I pulled the timings down each boot ie ca19, cas18, etc. So loose timing is still fine. This bench what you need is more gpu power. I study sli 780ti vs single 980 gpu atm. I am yet to single test & see what can be effected, benefit. edit. Also I see a score not verified on line. ie no rules for it HWbot. Might toss 50 LOD @ it + other settings Nvidia Inspector
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 28, 2018 21:50:50 GMT -5
6c6t @ 5190. maxmem set 4000. board struggles with tight timings. better gpu/ hard drive will improve score. also if you don't finish in top 3, the points difference is fairly insignificant and there is no need to push.
moved to my last submission for country cup. gpu pi for cpu with celeron g470. with that india will be 298 points with all subs from my side. there is nobody else........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 4:37:57 GMT -5
You need better processor + board. I had thought to offer Bullants a 6 core, but he's determined on 9900K Right here now I've ran ApexX Karta #1 8700K #3 8086K. Arrived yesterday like virgin Apex X & Karta #2 8086K It's a worry for me man. You push 1.6v & these processors are so sweet. Other matter ... Zero not my hero put up a challenge in my AU forum. Lets just say it's bugging me. I've replied, testing my processors first. He's got minimum 10sec gain XP & waza. Never done that ever
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