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Post by ozz on Nov 23, 2017 21:57:52 GMT -5
heat sinks mean...."jack shit" they help to a point, when a mosfet decides to blow out, its the mosfet not the heatsink thats the issue, and i dont care what sort of heatsink youve got on em, water cooled or not, when they decide to blow they blow, ive had plenty blow on me, and chances are "maybe" you can replace a mosfet, but not all can, it turn into a disaster, ive seen do it, hes done it for me, its not such a simple procedure to do it properly, its not as simple as just unsoldering and resoldering as you make it out it is to do it properly
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 22:57:21 GMT -5
Solder reflowing surface mounts can be done ... but it's a right pain in the as + fiddly. Then you need like Mac's electronic skills to measure all the circuits. Toss it to the trash & find another P45 ... before the prices go up
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Post by ozz on Nov 23, 2017 23:11:11 GMT -5
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Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 23, 2017 23:40:08 GMT -5
Solder reflowing surface mounts can be done ... but it's a right pain in the as + fiddly. Then you need like Mac's electronic skills to measure all the circuits. Toss it to the trash & find another P45 ... before the prices go up already found the same mobo from china
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Post by ozz on Nov 24, 2017 0:15:01 GMT -5
from my perception, if i understand this correctly from what ive seen done in real time, maybe ive explained it wrong, the bottom of the mosfet has to have a solder connection with the board, you have to have a solder wipe on the board for the mosfet to make proper contact with it to work, if you dont have that it aint gunna work
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 0:58:10 GMT -5
i wouldnt call it a lot at all, id do that on air and have done many times, when youre up into the 1.7v thats gettin up there, on water, i think K is water, id say over the years the board has been good to K its just a little tired in areas and the vrms have given up, K has never been one for big voltages in or on any sub ive seen him sub for his scores, i dunno his secret but he seems to get the scores without the big volts , its just bad luck for him and it always happens to your best board , especially when youve only got 1 good one in the whatever platform, as pete said the msi werent that good in that era but hes obviously got and had a good one, @ K , if it is a vrm and not the pcb damaged where the short is and you can get a vrm replaced for $6, get them all replaced coz i reckon another could go if you dont, coz over time the heat they produce does diminish their efficiency of operation, just like it does, ok you could buy another board whether the same msi or another maker of board but you dont know what youre gunna get, at least this way you know what board it is and what it does, a new set of vrms is a new board pretty much, just a suggestion i rarely use that kind of voltage. always a safe overclocker, work more on efficiency, tweaks than clocks & voltage. but temps are very much under control, that tempted me to go for little higher voltage. never used 1.62 v core on that board. in total 331 submissions made to hwbot with x5460, q6600, e6600, e8400, e7500, celeron 430 so on... kind of over used board. it doesn't look that bad. though i have not removed the vrm heat sink, i just lifted and seen it. not looking like serious damage. going for repair now. will update.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 0:59:18 GMT -5
Solder reflowing surface mounts can be done ... but it's a right pain in the as + fiddly. Then you need like Mac's electronic skills to measure all the circuits. Toss it to the trash & find another P45 ... before the prices go up don't have any soldering skills. mac is a master technician. i am going to reapir shop.
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Post by ozz on Nov 24, 2017 1:24:05 GMT -5
i wouldnt call it a lot at all, id do that on air and have done many times, when youre up into the 1.7v thats gettin up there, on water, i think K is water, id say over the years the board has been good to K its just a little tired in areas and the vrms have given up, K has never been one for big voltages in or on any sub ive seen him sub for his scores, i dunno his secret but he seems to get the scores without the big volts , its just bad luck for him and it always happens to your best board , especially when youve only got 1 good one in the whatever platform, as pete said the msi werent that good in that era but hes obviously got and had a good one, @ K , if it is a vrm and not the pcb damaged where the short is and you can get a vrm replaced for $6, get them all replaced coz i reckon another could go if you dont, coz over time the heat they produce does diminish their efficiency of operation, just like it does, ok you could buy another board whether the same msi or another maker of board but you dont know what youre gunna get, at least this way you know what board it is and what it does, a new set of vrms is a new board pretty much, just a suggestion i rarely use that kind of voltage. always a safe overclocker, work more on efficiency, tweaks than clocks & voltage. but temps are very much under control, that tempted me to go for little higher voltage. never used 1.62 v core on that board. in total 331 submissions made to hwbot with x5460, q6600, e6600, e8400, e7500, celeron 430 so on... kind of over used board. it doesn't look that bad. though i have not removed the vrm heat sink, i just lifted and seen it. not looking like serious damage. going for repair now. will update. good stuff K , i know losing a good board is hard no matter what or who makes it, i'll put it this way, we all want the best from everything right, but now and again we get it from something, no matter what it is, thats why we have people that do olympic stuff, we all wished we could do it but we cant, its the same as boards, cpus, ram etc, its get what you get in our thing we play with unless your paid to do it and get all the goodies, even then they get the goodies and go thru many b4 they get the goodie to make them look good on bot and the "world this or that" thats all bullshit anyway, that doesnt represent the over clocking people by any means, its all hype and MONEY, to suck the unfortunate thinkers in, with their wallets, ill stick with the old school stuff, much more fun anyway, chasing points means what ? oh you beat someone ? i thought overclocking was trying to get the best from everything and share it, and you get what you get from it, i guess ive read it wrong the way things are going now days
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Post by Bones on Nov 24, 2017 2:20:42 GMT -5
oh its comes with big ass heatsink (the one that says ultra durable) I think it got water dripped down there some how from my waterblock as for replacing it I dont even know where to get the part at radio shack is closed here now plus up close it looks like it bubbled up part of the PCB around it I caught it had one, you did say sparks came out from under it. I was saying my board originally didn't have one but had the holes for one, I went ahead and made sure it did before one got too hot. Those fets aren't too bad to replace, just gotta be careful of what around them when you do it and take your time. I know if it were mine I'd at least take a shot at it and see, I have several junked boards with those fets on them that I use for such things. I've fixed a few board with such problems before and so forth, the soldering station I have has paid for itself several times over already for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 2:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by ozz on Nov 24, 2017 2:54:16 GMT -5
yeah well i deleted the roast chicken thing, its hard for others to understand the aussie humour at stuff, i guess only aussies get it , but i can tell ya, hes tried it all, he uses this system coz it works, and ive seen it work first hand, he made it out of an old intel heatsink copper block
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 4:57:22 GMT -5
Well other fella's call that ingenuity. I call it tricky hand made solder tip's. Bloody hell mac's what next .................
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Post by ozz on Nov 24, 2017 5:33:23 GMT -5
Well other fella's call that ingenuity. I call it tricky hand made solder tip's. Bloody hell mac's what next ................. the pleasure for me is ive seen it, and seen it actually working doin what it does, hes done in it in front of me our pete is no dummy, probably one of the smartest and no frills man ive ever met in my life,, its a pity we havent got all his home made stuff and pics here on W9 like we had on CP b4 it made its own demise and what wasnt saved elsewhere and got locked up, i didnt nick name him golden fingers way back then for nothing, and same applies here !!!
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 7:23:05 GMT -5
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Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 24, 2017 7:36:00 GMT -5
ouch yea I see where yours popped at there that sucks I might take the time and see if I can fix mine if I can find the part on another old mobo here
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 24, 2017 8:02:40 GMT -5
85% of the heat out of a mosfet is dissipated out through the board about 15% goes out through the heatsink clamped on the top all mosfets most of the area of the back of the mosfet is soldered to the board that is where the heat goes not through the top of the package. A lot of boards dont even have heatsinks on them a perfect example is my Z77X-UD5H it has a heatsink running up the board parallel with the backplane and one across the top of the board my Z77XUD3H has the one parallel with the backplane and none at the top of the board yet has the same vrm and works fine without it maybe a bit of show with the UD5H. Another example is the Z170 Asrock that Jas has bought and has been insulated there are no Mosfet heatsinks on it but I bet it works just fine when running on water without them. But dont get me wrong too if the mosfet is close to its limit in power all the additional cooling you can get may just save a blown one. K's MSI board there was a lot of MSI boards around that era both 775 and AM2+ were known for blowing out mosfets and called Hand Grenades in the day what does MSI say Military Grade components. Jr I'm full of surprises Eh. I have got one of these too. www.achibgarework.com/achi-ir6500-infrared-bga-rework-station_l66_p1.html
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Post by Mr.Scott on Nov 24, 2017 8:31:09 GMT -5
Board appears to be repairable. Not that bad at all. Mine was way worse. Burned a hole clear through the PCB.
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Post by Bones on Nov 24, 2017 8:48:22 GMT -5
ouch yea I see where yours popped at there that sucks I might take the time and see if I can fix mine if I can find the part on another old mobo here That's the spirit - Don't give up on it, make it live...... To die another day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 8:53:54 GMT -5
Wow .. now I'm jelly for repairing my crap. Yes Obi-Wan Kenobi you are old as you are wise Need a padowan?
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Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 24, 2017 9:13:00 GMT -5
ouch yea I see where yours popped at there that sucks I might take the time and see if I can fix mine if I can find the part on another old mobo here That's the spirit - Don't give up on it, make it live...... To die another day. oh I thought I killed it once already it wouldnt come on one day after about 3 hrs of dice use it stopped working wouldnt start thought I killed it left it sit up on shelf for 2 days brought it down hooked it up and bam came right back on think it got wet then too gonna have to use something diff next time when I seal shit up clear nail polish is ok next time Ill use LET
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 14:19:41 GMT -5
i talked to the repair person. he says board seems ok. good chance of getting it worked but the problem is finding the spare part. he is trying for the part and hopefully can find one.
last time when i did with ga-g41 combo it's a regular board and lot of similar boards were available with him. so he could repair in minutes. after reapir not overlocked it anymore and sold it along with e7500 for 80 usd 2 years back.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 14:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on Nov 24, 2017 15:45:24 GMT -5
I've always been partial to the UD3R's just because of their wide CPU compatibility list. good Price too.
The Rampage and Maximus are premium boards, I've could never justify paying over $75-$100 for that old of a platform.
Vin
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Nov 24, 2017 15:53:55 GMT -5
I would probably be going for one of the last 2.
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Post by Aleslammer on Nov 24, 2017 16:19:59 GMT -5
I like the RF but have a big fondness for the board. EP45 would be a better quad board.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 16:36:20 GMT -5
just tested my TP 43 HP with e8400 @ 3627 fsb 403. got the ocz reaper working @ 476. how high i can go with this for fsb. used this board with q6600 @ 3.5 ghz regularly without any problem. CAN IT HANDLE XEON X5460 ? CAN I PUSH THE FSB AROUND 450.... ON P43 BOARD? just submitting it for comp. can ignore it, already submitted q6600 ksateaaa23 / e8400 - socket 775 / 3627 / 3838
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Post by ving on Nov 24, 2017 16:58:36 GMT -5
Gigabyte have better compatibility with 771 cpus(p35/45)...but they needs vdroop mod (even ep45t-extreme... especially above 1.65v@ss). Asus have lower compatibility with 771s(don't recognize some cpus after update microcodes...but push F1 is not a problem...p45)...but have better LoadLine Calibration (motherboards with ov cpu/nb switches have little vcore-up...p5q-e/p5q dlx/p5q3 dlx/p5e3 premium/p5e3dlx@p5e3 premium bios)...RF(+p5e dlx@RF bios) and Rex have vcore stable like a stone (straight line at occt). Everything depends on individual preferences...some people likes gigabytes...some asus...i feel much better on Asus mbs. Best Regards
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 17:00:07 GMT -5
just tested my TP 43 HP with e8400 @ 3627 fsb 403. got the ocz reaper working @ 476. how high i can go with this for fsb. used this board with q6600 @ 3.5 ghz regularly without any problem. CAN IT HANDLE XEON X5460 ? CAN I PUSH THE FSB AROUND 450.... ON P43 BOARD? just submitting it for comp. can ignore it, already submitted q6600 ksateaaa23 / e8400 - socket 775 / 3627 / 3838 checked the fsbs of P43s on bot. best board around 440 and others less than 420. so it's not good enough. comparing price performance EP45-UD3R seems to be the best choice.
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Post by ksateaaa23 on Nov 24, 2017 17:13:29 GMT -5
bought EP45-UD3R.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Nov 24, 2017 17:21:54 GMT -5
you will like the gig P45 mobo I loved mine sad it died like it did but Ill get another one
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