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Post by Aleslammer on May 24, 2017 10:42:35 GMT -5
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 24, 2017 16:06:16 GMT -5
that is weird AF my MSI Z270M mortar has blck OC
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 24, 2017 17:36:16 GMT -5
At first intel was Ok with nonK overclock on Skylake when the Bioses for it were being passed around under the table on places like HWBot but then Asrock started using it on there B chipset and advertising that it could Baseclock. Intel dont want people buying cheaper core I3's and base clocking them instead of buying the more expensive I5. From a business sense they had to clamp down on it and outlawed it from all manufacturers. Shady has your board has got bus straps I take it 125mhz the next would be 160mhz I would say or something similar can you set your bus to say 130mhz or 134mhz? Some do have 125mhz and 160 There are also caveats to nonK overclocking above 103Mhz AVX will stop working. Also C states, speedstep, and turbo has to be turned off. Another thing with Z170 there is no IDE only AHCI installing XP can be fun and a challenge. You are going to have fun with DDR4 Brad I will tell you now 12-12-12-28 @ 4000Mhz DDR aint as easy as it sounds. There are also a lot more sub timings than with DDR3. The BDie I have got in it at the moment will do 4000 but at 14-18-18-32-2t I am out to buy another set on Friday and the bastards aint cheap.
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Post by Aleslammer on May 24, 2017 18:16:25 GMT -5
Going to be awhile before playing with DDR4 still have a few things to get and last work day is the 31st of May so don't want to spend until I have the first retirement check in the bank. Got a few things to bench a day or two but other than that going to be a lot of Fallout 4 on the Xbox for the next month or two.
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Post by Mr.Scott on May 24, 2017 18:39:27 GMT -5
Congrats on the retirement Brad. I wish it were me.
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 24, 2017 18:59:42 GMT -5
At first intel was Ok with nonK overclock on Skylake when the Bioses for it were being passed around under the table on places like HWBot but then Asrock started using it on there B chipset and advertising that it could Baseclock. Intel dont want people buying cheaper core I3's and base clocking them instead of buying the more expensive I5. From a business sense they had to clamp down on it and outlawed it from all manufacturers. Shady has your board has got bus straps I take it 125mhz the next would be 160mhz I would say or something similar can you set your bus to say 130mhz or 134mhz? Some do have 125mhz and 160 There are also caveats to nonK overclocking above 103Mhz AVX will stop working. Also C states, speedstep, and turbo has to be turned off. Another thing with Z170 there is no IDE only AHCI installing XP can be fun and a challenge. You are going to have fun with DDR4 Brad I will tell you now 12-12-12-28 @ 4000Mhz DDR aint as easy as it sounds. There are also a lot more sub timings than with DDR3. The BDie I have got in it at the moment will do 4000 but at 14-18-18-32-2t I am out to buy another set on Friday and the bastards aint cheap. actually I dont think this one is like that I know my X99 MSI mobo is I will check it again and see edit yea no blck strap I can put in what ever FSB I want in there no selections like on my X99 MSI mobo
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 24, 2017 20:54:37 GMT -5
Oh Ok Intel was supposed to have put a stop to it. Interesting
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 24, 2017 21:41:49 GMT -5
Oh Ok Intel was supposed to have put a stop to it. Interesting yea this mobo dont do that lol damn now I wanna keep it for myself lmao its a pretty decent little Z270 MATX mobo MSI Z270M Mortar and it was only $130 lol
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Post by ving on May 25, 2017 20:31:55 GMT -5
I have tested only 7350k and g4560 on Z170 OCF/Z170M OCF...and I could run OC(bclk) only on 7350K...g4560 max 102.9375MHz....with Kaby bios.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 25, 2017 22:44:05 GMT -5
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Post by ozz on May 26, 2017 0:22:17 GMT -5
i dunno anything about these boards but theres no way id buy a current board that cant oc base clock, i dont see the point, i always thought that some cpus like base clock oc more than they do multiplier or am i on the wrong track with what you blokes are meaning ?
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 26, 2017 2:08:39 GMT -5
Most modern intel CPUs from Sandy Bridge on dont base clock well that is why they have the unlocked K series CPU.
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Post by ozz on May 26, 2017 2:45:29 GMT -5
Most modern intel CPUs from Sandy Bridge on dont base clock well that is why they have the unlocked K series CPU. so its the cpu that wont do it, not the board pete, lol i wouldnt even bother buying 1 if its the cpu, ryzen is lookin better all the time, but ill wait and see what comes up with em, if im gunna go ddr4 it has to be cost effective for me, i liked the 1700 ryzen, the 1700x had less, its turbo clock or what ever you call it was the highest of the lot from stock to turbo clock, 3.0 or to 3.7 , 65 w so more head room for heat, and has the identical feature set as the 1800x i found this read interesting but i spose it all comes down to the major factor with whatever you buy, the silicone lottery, cpus, boards, cards, ram, the whole shebang, and if youre lucky and they all talk nicely together you on a winner set up, that A10 7870K i bought not long ago was and is a dog of cpu, i wouldnt even put in me daily, im disgusted in it www.trustedreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700-review
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 26, 2017 3:06:26 GMT -5
Your Maximus Hero Z97 wont base clock that is why you need a K series CPU for it as in the 4790K.
A lot of those A10 7870k CPUs wont do 5Ghz on water but it will smash the shit out of any of the other APU's you have got in just about any benchmark except CPU frequency. Just because it wont do 5Ghz and the lower grade ones you have will doesnt mean it doesnt perform a lot better.
If I was going to use one in a daily runner it would be the one I would use, not the other APUs you have got its efficiency leaves the others for dead.
The way you are comparing that A10 7870 to the older APUs is like comparing FX8350 to Ryzen the FX clocks higher but its performance is low.
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Post by ozz on May 26, 2017 3:46:16 GMT -5
Your Maximus Hero Z97 wont base clock that is why you need a K series CPU for it as in the 4790K. i didnt know that A lot of those A10 7870k CPUs wont do 5Ghz on water but it will smash the shit out of any of the other APU's you have got in just about any benchmark except CPU frequency. Just because it wont do 5Ghz and the lower grade ones you have will doesnt mean it doesnt perform a lot better. yes i realise that but others got it in that comp, same cpu, silicone lottery again If I was going to use one in a daily runner it would be the one I would use, not the other APUs you have got its efficiency leaves the others for dead. using it in the daily was a silly comment really, the 980BE and the asrock 890 fx deluxe 3 will do me fine, i dont game, its just a daily The way you are comparing that A10 7870 to the older APUs is like comparing FX8350 to Ryzen the FX clocks higher but its performance is low. yes you are right mate, spose it all comes down to horses for courses
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Post by Shadyreaper on May 26, 2017 5:47:07 GMT -5
yea my 5820k doesnt like Bclk Im sure if I messed with it I could get it to go but using just the multiplier works just fine for it as for a daily rig its a damn beast @ 4.5ghz it games like a mofo and is pretty damn fast at rendering my videos I make I could have went with a 7700k since I game a lot but having them extra threads makes a big diff for editing video I might look to upgrade next year or something maybe to X299 or maybe a R9 threadripper from AMD Ryzen lineup
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