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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 4, 2016 2:49:20 GMT -5
thanks man I got 2 more Celero Ds a 321 and 331 I got 2 P4 a 641 and 650 Shady the P4 641 is a 3.2Ghz Cedarmill 65nm should be a good clocker expect 5 Ghz out of that.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Dec 4, 2016 7:50:34 GMT -5
I had C2D's in the P5E3 over 500 FSB just so you know.
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Post by mistone on Dec 4, 2016 8:12:21 GMT -5
Shady, don't forget to insulate the bottom side of the motherboard as well. I forgot that when i was first doing dice, and that resulted in a nice round blob of ice under the socket, the board survived somehow and nothing shorted out but that's not really a thing you'd want to happen. just stick plastalina around the socket area on the bottom or use vaseline, Pete once posted a guide here i think, it was really well done. Good Luck!!
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 4, 2016 9:14:50 GMT -5
the P4 641 is a beast hits 5Ghz easy I am gonna spend the day running the C2Ds in the P5E3 today that board is pretty killer so far the E4400 wouldnt boot in it at 1st so I swapped CPUs to see if it was just the CPU but the board came on with the P4 641 and the E4400 came on it the P5B I didnt think I would have a 2nsd 5ghz CPU after I got the dead 326 I was kinda upset the dude packed all 8 CPU in a bag that wasnt even wrapped so all the CPUs were flopping around and it knocked off some resistors off the bottom of the CPU but these are some of the temps I was seeing this is when I 1st started up this was after about 20mins and everything was good and cold and this is with 1.5v juicing the CPU lol this was in win7 I did the same thing for this board as the P5B
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 4, 2016 16:24:00 GMT -5
I'm smilin here Shady you look like you are having fun. P4 631, 641, 651, 661 are all 65nm Cedarmill they leave the 90nm Prescott for dead. The pentium D chips clock Ok too.
Get yourself a E8500 EO Sspec SLB9K they should do 5Ghz in that P5E3
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Post by Bones on Dec 4, 2016 19:48:43 GMT -5
I'm smilin here Shady you look like you are having fun. P4 631, 641, 651, 661 are all 65nm Cedarmill they leave the 90nm Prescott for dead. The pentium D chips clock Ok too. Get yourself a E8500 EO Sspec SLB9K they should do 5Ghz in that P5E3 Here's something you can check out as a possible source of getting some cheap 775 chips: www.ebay.com/itm/192029773917?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITI did get a bundle for myself and will let you know about what I get when they arrive. Could be the majority will be single cored chips, maybe some will be dual core, no way to really know until they get here. Says they are all good chips and the sheer # of chips for the price & shipping (Free) makes it worth taking a peek at for some cheap and potentially disposable benching chips.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 4, 2016 19:50:51 GMT -5
dude I am having so much fun so far the P4 641 and the Celeron D 347 are beasts hit 5ghs easy the other Celeron D I got didnt wanna go I am gonna try it out in the P5E3 this time around after I get thought all these other CPUs lol they have a lot of 105 for pretty cheap I want but my wife said no more spending lmao I should have wrote what FSB I got outta each one on them I will do that after I finish benching them I will go back and look at the subs and write them in
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 4, 2016 19:53:18 GMT -5
I'm smilin here Shady you look like you are having fun. P4 631, 641, 651, 661 are all 65nm Cedarmill they leave the 90nm Prescott for dead. The pentium D chips clock Ok too. Get yourself a E8500 EO Sspec SLB9K they should do 5Ghz in that P5E3 Here's something you can check out as a possible source of getting some cheap 775 chips: www.ebay.com/itm/192029773917?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITI did get a bundle for myself and will let you know about what I get when they arrive. Could be the majority will be single cored chips, maybe some will be dual core, no way to really know until they get here. Says they are all good chips and the sheer # of chips for the price & shipping (Free) makes it worth taking a peek at for some cheap and potentially disposable benching chips. yea $15 for 21 aint bad I seen a lot of 105 I wanted but cant afford the wife wont let me buy no more right now lmao
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 4, 2016 21:12:01 GMT -5
Celeron D is a 533 bus chip it wont run in the P5E3 its lowest bus speed is 200 mhz. You will have to do a BSEL mod to the lands on the chip to make the board think its a 200 bus chip then hope that it can boot at that speed. 200 x multiplier. Here is a couple of pics of a BSEL mod they are usually used in OEM computers to step the FSB up to the next speed i.e. 266 bus to 333 bus. www.overclock.net/t/1540627/need-clarification-on-the-q6600-bsel-mod-to-3ghz/0_100But you can set the bus speed to any standard speed 200 - 266 - 333. You can also do vid mods to the lands too to raise the voltage up to 1.55v. I have used that successfully to get a good overclock on a Asrock Conroe 865 crossfire board.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 4, 2016 22:48:10 GMT -5
Celeron D is a 533 bus chip it wont run in the P5E3 its lowest bus speed is 200 mhz. You will have to do a BSEL mod to the lands on the chip to make the board think its a 200 bus chip then hope that it can boot at that speed. 200 x multiplier. Here is a couple of pics of a BSEL mod they are usually used in OEM computers to step the FSB up to the next speed i.e. 266 bus to 333 bus. www.overclock.net/t/1540627/need-clarification-on-the-q6600-bsel-mod-to-3ghz/0_100But you can set the bus speed to any standard speed 200 - 266 - 333. You can also do vid mods to the lands too to raise the voltage up to 1.55v. I have used that successfully to get a good overclock on a Asrock Conroe 865 crossfire board. I have a P5B Deluxe that I been running the celerons in that thing works awesome I found this 351 mod I will deff have to learn how to mod them sooner or later if I wanna get into the big 7-8ghz club hwbot.org/submission/2354352_wytiwx_cpu_frequency_celeron_lga775_352_8505.55_mhz
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 5, 2016 10:37:14 GMT -5
a few pics from yesterday and when I was setting it up I had a lot of fun with it for 2 days I got some more CPUs and I wanna retest a 1-2 since I feel the water wasnt cold enough during testing those CPUs (ie they are around 30c at idle) when the wife says I can buy more parts I am gonna prob try to pick up some more CPUs and 1 more mobo and PSU (for my main rig and use its PSU since its 1200w) P5E3 Deluxe going to town the P5B deluxe when I ran the Celeron D 347 I keep the lid on the cooler and wrap it with towels I am gonna notch the side out so the tubes run out there and I can close the lid all the way also gonna get better insulation for the tubing the stuff I did get doesnt bend very well
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Post by ozz on Dec 5, 2016 17:10:24 GMT -5
shady have you got a probe to put in your ice container to tell you your water temps, i add about 10-15c on top of water temp to give a fairly close estimate of cpu temp under load , or have you any methylated spirits, if you mix about 1/3 litre of metho in with the water you should get to 0c water temp, lowest ive had is -4c, itll depend on the cpu in it and volts on how cold the cpu will get but it does get colder, after the water has metho in it its no good to freeze again, down here its $5 a litre in the super market
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 5, 2016 17:34:01 GMT -5
shady have you got a probe to put in your ice container to tell you your water temps, i add about 10-15c on top of water temp to give a fairly close estimate of cpu temp under load , or have you any methylated spirits, if you mix about 1/3 litre of metho in with the water you should get to 0c water temp, lowest ive had is -4c, itll depend on the cpu in it and volts on how cold the cpu will get but it does get colder, after the water has metho in it its no good to freeze again, down here its $5 a litre in the super market yea we got it here is $16 a gallon (3.875L) I will have to get another cooler I dont wanna eat this styrofoam one up I was gonna use denatured alcohol (methylated spirits) for when I do Dice also I will pick some up I used to keep a gallon around at all times for cleaning glass stuff I got but I am out at the moment my wife even asked me if I needed some and I told her no I needed it for the dry ice and she said ok lol I should have just bought some but I would have spent more then $2 on the cooler lmao Shrimpbrime (Jon) sent me his dry ice pot and a LN2 pot to do some testing with I just gotta send the dry ice pot back when I am done I wont be getting into that for a few more weeks wife said Im not allowed to buy nothing more til we move in a few weeks plus then I will have more room to work right now I am kinda stuck in the living room when I want to test lmao but I want to get a lot more CPUs and 1-2 more mobos and my PSU for my main rig so I can take the 1200w outta it and use it to test with instead of the BS I go through now to test lol I also wanna get a few more sets of ram right now I am working with 1 DDR2 and 1 DDR3 set I got a 2nd DDR3 set but I dont wanna take those outta the wifes PC to test with those are Ripjaws X 1866mhz and I dont think they will go well in my P5E3 deluxe anyway I got my eye on a lot of 105 775 cpus Im gonna try to beg the wife to let me get them and see if it flys lol and I just ordered more thermal paste even tho I think I should have ordered 2 30g tubes lol
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Post by ozz on Dec 5, 2016 17:42:48 GMT -5
shady have you got a probe to put in your ice container to tell you your water temps, i add about 10-15c on top of water temp to give a fairly close estimate of cpu temp under load , or have you any methylated spirits, if you mix about 1/3 litre of metho in with the water you should get to 0c water temp, lowest ive had is -4c, itll depend on the cpu in it and volts on how cold the cpu will get but it does get colder, after the water has metho in it its no good to freeze again, down here its $5 a litre in the super market yea we got it here is $16 a gallon (3.875L) I will have to get another cooler I dont wanna eat this styrofoam one up I was gonna use denatured alcohol (methylated spirits) for when I do Dice also I will pick some up I used to keep a gallon around at all times for cleaning glass stuff I got but I am out at the moment my wife even asked me if I needed some and I told her no I needed it for the dry ice and she said ok lol I should have just bought some but I would have spent more then $2 on the cooler lmao Shrimpbrime (Jon) sent me his dry ice pot and a LN2 pot to do some testing with I just gotta send the dry ice pot back when I am done I wont be getting into that for a few more weeks wife said Im not allowed to buy nothing more til we move in a few weeks plus then I will have more room to work right now I am kinda stuck in the living room when I want to test lmao but I want to get a lot more CPUs and 1-2 more mobos and my PSU for my main rig so I can take the 1200w outta it and use it to test with instead of the BS I go through now to test lol I also wanna get a few more sets of ram right now I am working with 1 DDR2 and 1 DDR3 set I got a 2nd DDR3 set but I dont wanna take those outta the wifes PC to test with those are Ripjaws X 1866mhz and I dont think they will go well in my P5E3 deluxe anyway I got my eye on a lot of 105 775 cpus Im gonna try to beg the wife to let me get them and see if it flys lol and I just ordered more thermal paste even tho I think I should have ordered 2 30g tubes lol i dont think the metho will attack the foam box, i just poured some on an old piece of styro foam, no change, didnt leave it on for too long, not sure tho, will check it in 1/2 hour, think it should be ok with the water mix, i use this paste now, its cheap, and good paste, been using it for months now, problem is its in china and takes a while to get here www.ebay.com.au/itm/141610736660?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 5, 2016 17:56:26 GMT -5
yea we got it here is $16 a gallon (3.875L) I will have to get another cooler I dont wanna eat this styrofoam one up I was gonna use denatured alcohol (methylated spirits) for when I do Dice also I will pick some up I used to keep a gallon around at all times for cleaning glass stuff I got but I am out at the moment my wife even asked me if I needed some and I told her no I needed it for the dry ice and she said ok lol I should have just bought some but I would have spent more then $2 on the cooler lmao Shrimpbrime (Jon) sent me his dry ice pot and a LN2 pot to do some testing with I just gotta send the dry ice pot back when I am done I wont be getting into that for a few more weeks wife said Im not allowed to buy nothing more til we move in a few weeks plus then I will have more room to work right now I am kinda stuck in the living room when I want to test lmao but I want to get a lot more CPUs and 1-2 more mobos and my PSU for my main rig so I can take the 1200w outta it and use it to test with instead of the BS I go through now to test lol I also wanna get a few more sets of ram right now I am working with 1 DDR2 and 1 DDR3 set I got a 2nd DDR3 set but I dont wanna take those outta the wifes PC to test with those are Ripjaws X 1866mhz and I dont think they will go well in my P5E3 deluxe anyway I got my eye on a lot of 105 775 cpus Im gonna try to beg the wife to let me get them and see if it flys lol and I just ordered more thermal paste even tho I think I should have ordered 2 30g tubes lol i dont think the metho will attack the foam box, i just poured some on an old piece of styro foam, no change, didnt leave it on for too long, not sure tho, will check it in 1/2 hour, think it should be ok with the water mix, i use this paste now, its cheap, and good paste, been using it for months now, problem is its in china and takes a while to get here www.ebay.com.au/itm/141610736660?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITyea I just ordered some from china too a big 30g tube sparky told me what he uses and its just the cheap stuff lol I already have one tube of the same stuff he uses I just ordered another one I got a bunch of other paste here too some thermaltake the stuff that came with the CM heatsink and the waterblock I bought so I got some paste for now lol thanks for checking that for me let me know what it does to the foam
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Post by ozz on Dec 5, 2016 18:02:17 GMT -5
i dont think the metho will attack the foam box, i just poured some on an old piece of styro foam, no change, didnt leave it on for too long, not sure tho, will check it in 1/2 hour, think it should be ok with the water mix, i use this paste now, its cheap, and good paste, been using it for months now, problem is its in china and takes a while to get here www.ebay.com.au/itm/141610736660?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITyea I just ordered some from china too a big 30g tube sparky told me what he uses and its just the cheap stuff lol I already have one tube of the same stuff he uses I just ordered another one I got a bunch of other paste here too some thermaltake the stuff that came with the CM heatsink and the waterblock I bought so I got some paste for now lol thanks for checking that for me let me know what it does to the foam i just looked again, it hasnt affected it at all, usually if you put that sort of stuff on foam it attacks it straight away, like thinners or petrol does, it wouldve affected it straight away, you wont have any dramas with the foam, if youre worried about it a plastic bucket or esky will do the same job and it wont attack plastic but im positive the foam will be cool
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 5, 2016 18:08:22 GMT -5
yea I just ordered some from china too a big 30g tube sparky told me what he uses and its just the cheap stuff lol I already have one tube of the same stuff he uses I just ordered another one I got a bunch of other paste here too some thermaltake the stuff that came with the CM heatsink and the waterblock I bought so I got some paste for now lol thanks for checking that for me let me know what it does to the foam i just looked again, it hasnt affected it at all, usually if you put that sort of stuff on foam it attacks it straight away, like thinners or petrol does, it wouldve affected it straight away, you wont have any dramas with the foam, if youre worried about it a plastic bucket or esky will do the same job and it wont attack plastic but im positive the foam will be cool awesome man thanks I will pick me up some for when I run one of these times and see what I can get outta it
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2016 20:14:13 GMT -5
Shady, instead of running the rad, just run the ice water through your loop. And for Ice, use small bottles of water (use them, then fill 2/3's full, and pop in the freezer without the lid on it, once frozen put the lid back on) then put the bottles in your cooler.
You don't get full transfer through the rad. When I did your setup last time my water was at 2 degrees and with the the PC off (No load) best I could do was 4-5 degrees on the block. When I switched to running the ice water in the loop my block was able to reach my chilled water temp.
Vin
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 5, 2016 20:24:18 GMT -5
ok I will try that I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I was running its keeping the same water in the loop the whole time so it only gets as cold as the water can get the rad I will take it off and try it that way I will use the rad when I do the dry ice then I am building up my ice supply now lol I should be able to bench tomorrow or weds I also am gonna buy a bag of bulk ice for $1.75 up the street 20lbs lol this way I know I got enough ice to run for a good while
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Post by ozz on Dec 5, 2016 21:08:23 GMT -5
yep thats how i do it vin, no radiator, ice water from the res straight to the loop, depending on the cpu and volts and benchmark is what the block will go too and hopefully hold at
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Post by Vinster on Dec 5, 2016 22:45:49 GMT -5
I will use the rad when I do the dry ice I tried it that way as well... I found it worst that the ice water you are doing now.. I was using Dry Ice Pellets... used a shovel and made a good hole in the middle, popped the rad in there then filled it... I left it for about 15 minutes before starting the pump. then after running about 30 min my temps were horrible... what I found was the DICE melted around the rad and made a cocoon space of heat... there was no transfer.... What I'd recommend (I never did try this) take a small plastic cooler (try to keep it near the size of the rad or a touch larger) and put about 3/4"-1" of Acetone on the bottom, enough to submerge the rad. Then when you're ready to bench start putting in the DICE on the rad... This is just like you would do when benching DICE with a POT.. you have to put about 1" of Acetone in the pot... Acetone has a freezing point of -95 Degrees C... so the liquid acetone will get to as cold as the DICE is and stops the same cocoon problem that I had with rad... that cold liquid will transfer to the RAD where the pellets wont... But when you do this, don't let the vinyl tubing touch the dice... it'll freeze it and crack if moved... for that I recommend going to the hardware store and figuring out some copper tubes out of the rad that would put your tubing connections high out of the DICE. Vin
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 5, 2016 23:37:45 GMT -5
I will use the rad when I do the dry ice I tried it that way as well... I found it worst that the ice water you are doing now.. I was using Dry Ice Pellets... used a shovel and made a good hole in the middle, popped the rad in there then filled it... I left it for about 15 minutes before starting the pump. then after running about 30 min my temps were horrible... what I found was the DICE melted around the rad and made a cocoon space of heat... there was no transfer.... What I'd recommend (I never did try this) take a small plastic cooler (try to keep it near the size of the rad or a touch larger) and put about 3/4"-1" of Acetone on the bottom, enough to submerge the rad. Then when you're ready to bench start putting in the DICE on the rad... This is just like you would do when benching DICE with a POT.. you have to put about 1" of Acetone in the pot... Acetone has a freezing point of -95 Degrees C... so the liquid acetone will get to as cold as the DICE is and stops the same cocoon problem that I had with rad... that cold liquid will transfer to the RAD where the pellets wont... But when you do this, don't let the vinyl tubing touch the dice... it'll freeze it and crack if moved... for that I recommend going to the hardware store and figuring out some copper tubes out of the rad that would put your tubing connections high out of the DICE. Vin I was gonna use denatured alcohol when I do Dice it is better then acetone and costs about the same I buy them both quite often I have acetone now but it doesnt work as well as the alcohol from what I have read I also thought of getting a roll of 1/2 copper tubing and making like a still coil and putting that in the dice and let the plastic tubing sit outside the cooler I figure I can insulate the plastic tubing at up to the fittings to keep them from freezing too bad but I will try to get some copper tube to run from the rad I will get some more fittings or something to mount the copper tube to the rad
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 6, 2016 2:35:40 GMT -5
Shady haven't you got a dice pot from Jon? Why would you be thinking of sticking the radiator in Dry Ice just insulate the board and mount the pot straight on the CPU.
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Post by ozz on Dec 6, 2016 2:48:21 GMT -5
i was thinkin the same thing pete, my first thoughts were if the mix isnt right hell have a block of ice in the tub, remember that dice you gave me and i tried it here , ended up a block of ice in the res, personally if it was me id insulate the board well with foam, and dice it normally, but never know shady might have a trick up his sleeve
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 6, 2016 5:43:35 GMT -5
I dont know about a trick up his sleeve he probably wants to experiment. Problems with the idea a coil of copper tube in dry ice if he turns the pump off for a few minutes his coolant better be able to not freeze at -60 otherwise until he thaws it out he wont be doing anymore. He will have to use straight Glycol or alcohol for coolant. Scotty would be a good man for advice on what to use there with his mechanical knowledge and snow living. Its a lot of mucking around when at the end of the day the CPU wouldnt be as cold as if you just mounted a pot straight on it, I know whats easier and will give better results. Shady I am not trying to put your idea down or anything In fact I like that you are keen to try things. I just think its a lot of mucking around for nothing when you have got a pot there ready to use and it will work better.
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Post by Bones on Dec 6, 2016 7:50:54 GMT -5
ok I will try that I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I was running its keeping the same water in the loop the whole time so it only gets as cold as the water can get the rad I will take it off and try it that way I will use the rad when I do the dry ice then I am building up my ice supply now lol I should be able to bench tomorrow or weds I also am gonna buy a bag of bulk ice for $1.75 up the street 20lbs lol this way I know I got enough ice to run for a good while That's how I do it when I have to do some colder water benching and it works out fine. Have the same deal about 5 minutes from here and it's cost-effective, I just take one of my coolers and let it load it up with bulk ice when it drops. I have to say I've already tried DICE with watercooling and ran into more issues than benefits from it - Been there done that and left it where it was afterwards. Would be MUCH simpler and better to run the pot instead, I know from experience with trying to combine DICE and watercooling how big of a headache it is and in truth there is more benefit from just running the pot instead of going through all that. I had a my rad freeze up and make the CPU run hot, then bypassed the rad and had a nice block of ice in the res itself and temps weren't much better than iced down water, not to mention the pump itself was struggling at times due to the increased viscosity of the liquid (Water/anti-freeze mix, all I could get for it here). You also run the risk as pointed out with things like your lines cracking and such, too much risk for so little reward in return. I agree with Mac, nothing wrong with experimenting and at least trying it but that's how it went for me when I did it.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 6, 2016 9:16:55 GMT -5
Shady haven't you got a dice pot from Jon? Why would you be thinking of sticking the radiator in Dry Ice just insulate the board and mount the pot straight on the CPU. yea I got the dice pot from Jon here I just have to make a mounting plate for them both before I can do some testing my dice bath idea came from wanting to keep what was freezing away from the board but now that I have a better understanding of insulating the mobo I should do ok I really dont wanna run into issues if I stop benching for a few mins to swap CPUs so I might wanna rethink the dice bath idea the best antifreeze they have freezes at -30f still I guess this week or next I need to run to my buddy's house and get him to help me make this mounting plate I just wanna say thanks to you guys tho for keeping me from running into too many problems I take everyones advice seriously and appreciate it very much
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Post by Macsbeach98 on Dec 6, 2016 15:51:29 GMT -5
I took a few pictures the other day insulating the Hero VIII I will write up an insulaton guide soon. Jon's pot is a 2"round one I take it? if so I will add a pic or 2 of my round one with an insulation pad that I use with it.
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 6, 2016 16:30:24 GMT -5
I took a few pictures the other day insulating the Hero VIII I will write up an insulaton guide soon. Jon's pot is a 2"round one I take it? if so I will add a pic or 2 of my round one with an insulation pad that I use with it. yea its a 2" round 6" tall pot it had the padding on the tube already I just need to make a mounting bracket I know I will need a better insulation job to do Dice thank you for helping me out man with pics and shit
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Post by Shadyreaper on Dec 19, 2016 1:02:45 GMT -5
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