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Post by austin86 on May 4, 2022 7:48:56 GMT -5
crap that thing was messed up.. was it used? Vin Yep used and all the way from the UK. I was able to fix it, but I keep forgetting to take photos of the case after I fixed it. |
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Post by austin86 on May 5, 2022 11:55:58 GMT -5
Part 28: a refund and I get to keep the case?
So I let the seller know about the case getting damaged. They shipped the case in a few layers of small bubble wrap and a plastic bag around the case, no box. Yeah I'm amazed it was not damaged more. Anyway they bought shipping insurance and sent me a few refund no questions asked. I just wanted to let them know to ship a case a little better next time, I did not even ask for a refund lol.
Anyway the case is fixed (I still need to take photos.) I used the refunded to buy a sound card for my new 12th gen system. The onboard sound sucks or maybe its just windows 10? Can't seem to get the volume to stay at one place. I'll be playing a game and the background music and sounds will be super quiet but the second things get heated and more sounds are playing everything gets supper loud. The on board audio has the same problem but to a less extant so I'm betting its a windows 10 problem? Is odd, if only one or two sound are being played its just quiet, but if 10 or so sounds are being made its like the sound as been cranked up to 11. I bought a Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD, I sold one about a year ago and regretted it ever since. The on board sound is also rather tiny sounding so I needed something better ether way.
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Post by Vinster on May 5, 2022 20:30:43 GMT -5
that's awesome. nice that they stood behind that.
Vin
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Post by austin86 on May 6, 2022 9:00:13 GMT -5
that's awesome. nice that they stood behind that. Vin Yeah. I did not really want a refund so I was like wow that's nice. I just wanted to let them know it was damaged and to maybe pad it better next time.
Anyway here are a few photos of the case after a fixed it.
I still have a little tweaking to do the a rear side panel as its still bowed a bit, I need to get a rivet gun to rivet the panels back on and I'll need to fix the paint in a few places.
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Post by Vinster on May 6, 2022 21:17:31 GMT -5
that's awesome. almost can't tell.
Vin
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Post by austin86 on May 9, 2022 10:22:31 GMT -5
Part 29: started on the 440bx. I removed the x79 system from the big old PPro server case and put the bx133-raid into the case, boy does that board look small in that case lol. I'll post photos tonight. Anyway I was going to sell the 240mm alpha cool monsta radiator that was cooling the x79 system and use a older thinner rad, but after removing the monsta rad I found that a big dent in one of the end tanks so I'll just keep and use it. I put a block on the NB. Depending on the GPU I get I may or may not keep the block on the NB. I'm going back and forth on a virge gx2, rage pro and tnt. But I keep thinking about a GF2 or mx4400 too. If its one of the ladder 3 I'll put the block on the GPU. part 29b: custom blocks. OK I want to put SCSI drives in the 440bx system, old SCSI drives tend to run hot. High RPM drives with a lot of hours on them tend have warn out drives motor barrings witch can make a lot of heat. NOS run cooler for a wile but wind up running hot after a few hounded hours of use. Maybe what they use to pack the motor barrings is old and dried out? I don't know, ether way they run hot. I do know that newer 80 pin drives with FDB tend to run much cooler. Anyway I'm going to be making a HDD block for the SCSI drives. After giving it some thought I came up with a way to make a block. I'm going to take a plate of aluminum and solder a some what flattened tube of cooper to the plate. It would be a lot like the Thermaltake Aquabay seen in the link below. www.techpowerup.com/review/thermaltake-m4/3.htmlI"ll need to make a top for the CPU block too. it has g-1/8 fittings and I'll make one tapped for g-1/4 fittings.
Part 29b: State of the x58 build. I have not done any updates on the x58 system in a wile. I have not done much with it. Its been on the back burner, the d5 pump I had for it was rather cheap and could not run at full speed without rattling. I also needed to get better tubing for the system. The hardware store tubing I had was to stiff and kinked rather badly. I also needed a few 90 fittings. My plan was to use the d5 out of the x79 system and its a few 90s out of it. I'll be buying the tubing this weekend and would start back on it early next week.
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Post by austin86 on May 17, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -5
Whops, looks like I forgot to post photos. I have the two systems on the back burner. I can't make up my mind on a few things for the 440bx system and its holding up the x58 system. The x58 just needs tubing, but the 440bx needs a lot of small things, I'd like to order everything at once to save on shipping so until I make up my mind on the parts needed for the 440bx I'll be holding off on buying tubing. I'll try to remember to post photos of the 2 systems tonight.
EDIT: Got stuck doing brakes on my car Tuesday night and had to pick stuff up for the wife last night. I'll try to get photos tonight bleh.
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Post by austin86 on May 20, 2022 13:51:43 GMT -5
Part 30: last parts for the x58 system have been bought, I mean it this time.
So I bought what should be my last parts for the x58 system. The much needed 1/2 tubing. It should get here Monday. With any luck this Monday the x58 system will be up and running and maybe some light benching.
I also bought the fittings needed for the 440bx system. I needed 4 3/8 fittings, a T and a plug. I plan to go old school with a T line setup in the system.
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Post by austin86 on May 20, 2022 19:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by Vinster on May 21, 2022 21:07:41 GMT -5
that is clean.. that's going to be great once done
Vin
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Post by austin86 on May 23, 2022 8:17:34 GMT -5
that is clean.. that's going to be great once done Vin Thanks. I'm trying do it 110% right. But I spent way to much on it and there is a few things I'm not liking. Mainly the pump res setup and motherboard block. The system needs a tube res if you ask me and the motherboard block makes routing tubes in a clean manner a pain. If you can't tell I'm going to run the output form the pump under the ram into the moth board block via a 90 fitting. I can't think of a better way to run the tubing without crossing lines and running tubing over parts and what not. Id prefer a good air cool sink for the board, I don't have the stock sinks and wile the stock NB sink is grate the same can't be said for the VRMs.
I been working on a old parts car of mine and I got a guy coming for this Friday so I need to take every thing off it I'm keeping. So I'll likely not have the x58 done until next weekend.
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Post by Vinster on May 23, 2022 23:45:06 GMT -5
I'd paint the res black. leave a 1/8th inch strip gap like to see the level.
Here is a suggestion on routing if you can make it work... will need a few pass-through ports.
Vin
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Post by austin86 on May 24, 2022 7:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 24, 2022 7:30:13 GMT -5
It looks real good well done.
The only thing I would change if it was mine would be a pair of 580's no DX11 on 285's
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Post by Vinster on May 24, 2022 7:52:41 GMT -5
it's Pump, CPU > NB > Rad > GPU1 + GPU2 in parallel > Res
Granted you have to flip the case on it's head to bleed all the air out. but once done it's done.
and for pass-through ports, it's was thinking something like this:
so from the pump to the CPU the line would run behind the MB tray and then leaving the Rad it would go back behind the MB tray to under where the PSU is and pop up to the GPU's and back down to catch the pump inlet.
you'd only see the tubes at the CPU, MB, Rad and GPU. the tubes going and leaving would be out of sight.
I'd also install a drain there as well (lowest point in the loop) and behind the MB tray, that line there I'd install a vent line at the top. (just need two 1/4 turn hand valves)
Vin
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Post by austin86 on May 24, 2022 8:12:15 GMT -5
It looks real good well done. The only thing I would change if it was mine would be a pair of 580's no DX11 on 285's The system will be running XP, so no DX11. If I was running vista/7 Id grab something like a 580 and go tri sli. |
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Post by austin86 on May 24, 2022 8:16:46 GMT -5
it's Pump, CPU > NB > Rad > GPU1 + GPU2 in parallel > Res
Granted you have to flip the case on it's head to bleed all the air out. but once done it's done.
and for pass-through ports, it's was thinking something like this:
so from the pump to the CPU the line would run behind the MB tray and then leaving the Rad it would go back behind the MB tray to under where the PSU is and pop up to the GPU's and back down to catch the pump inlet.
you'd only see the tubes at the CPU, MB, Rad and GPU. the tubes going and leaving would be out of sight.
I'd also install a drain there as well (lowest point in the loop) and behind the MB tray, that line there I'd install a vent line at the top. (just need two 1/4 turn hand valves)
Vin
OK that makes a lot more since now. I think I'll keep it how I have it, but your idea is worth keeping in mind. If I ever re plumed it I'll likely take a few pointers from it.
I had to drain the system all ready and I was quite amazed how it drained. I sucked everything out the res and the rest of the loop pored back in to the res. for now I'll be adding some anti kink coil for now and will be focused on installing everything to it.
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Post by Macsbeach98 on May 24, 2022 8:33:56 GMT -5
Jesus Vin you are making it hard the way he has it plumbed is right NB VRM dont need much cooling then into the radiator then CPU GPU GPU and whats with the parallel GPU's put Y fittings on them or something  they are in series I have never seen anyone do Parallel plumbing also drains and vents are they really needed. I prefer good function over looks. |
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Post by Vinster on May 24, 2022 9:24:38 GMT -5
Jesus Vin you are making it hard the way he has it plumbed is right NB VRM dont need much cooling then into the radiator then CPU GPU GPU and whats with the parallel GPU's put Y fittings on them or something  they are in series I have never seen anyone do Parallel plumbing also drains and vents are they really needed. I prefer good function over looks. you are correct, the NB rarely needs cooling.
But my suggestion was an esthetics one for the layout.
I've seen a number of parallel runs on GPU's in the past. yes sometimes I've seen Y-Fittings, but that's only when you're using EK GPU blocks and they have the pre-made fluid bridges.
Vent and drains are quite helpful in built systems. If planned out you don't see them (I have them in mine) and makes it easier to drain the loop. it's $20 in T-fittings and hand valves. Open the drain, and 30% of the fluid comes out, open the vent, another 50-60% comes out... then you can use the vent with compressed air to move the remaining fluid around. This ides doesn't always work with all builds. You need space to add these bits. but should be considered when building a custom water loop in a PC.
Vin
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Post by austin86 on May 24, 2022 10:07:48 GMT -5
Drain and vents makes life a heck of a lot simpler when draining then filling a loop. Took me a good HR to bleed the air bubbles out of the loop, I had to do that twice as the first time I filled the loop it had so much air in the loop it was like 75% foam. I had a hose clamp ever so slightly lose so it was sucking in air and foamed up the whole loop. I had to clean and flush the loop and try again. The fittings I bought were listed as 1/2 but were 7/16' so yeah I had to get those clamps rather tight.
Running GPUs in parallel can make things look better but with the chipset only blocks I don't think that would look good add the motherboard block into the mix and well now that gets tricky. For now its staying how it is, if I come by full cover blocks for the 285s I'll make some changes and take a few hints from vin. |
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Post by austin86 on May 26, 2022 10:11:13 GMT -5
part 31: I love banks and getting back to the 440bx system.
So I had my bank setup to close the account next week before the 1st, yeah well they jumped the gun and closed it last night before I got my paycheck lol, you know what that means, lots of time calling my bank and what not.
Anyway in the mean time I will not be buying any new parts until I can get this mouths pay fixed. But I can still plan some stuff.
So far I need to still get HDDs and a GPU. I'm thinking of some 36gb atlas SCSI drives with a Adaptec 2100S scsi card. The hard part is finding good atlas drives, they don't use FDB but rather ball bearings witch don't age as well. Most of the old atlas drives I came by are shot and grind a lot. However I do recall reading that some of the newer atlas drives sold under maxtor and seagate name have FDB, but I'm willing to bet they are 80 pin and I don't want to have to get 80 to 68 pin adapters. I'll have to do some digging on the drives, I may end up getting something else.
For the GPU I'll be getting a mx440. Seems like a good all round compromise, should be good for benching, dos gaming and windows gaming alike.
I also found a place that sells thicker acrylic sheets so I'll be able to make a g1/4 tapped top for the CPU block.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 12, 2022 11:53:07 GMT -5
Part 32: Picking up were I left off. Since the x58 system pumps way to much heat and pulls way to much power to use in the summer time I had put that system on the back burner. I still need to get an SLI cables and anti kink coil for it and to setup the software/games. That will be done next fall/winter. I still have the 440bx system to complete. I put it on the back burner for a few reasons, I had some budget changes in my live, my room mate has going off her rocker again. She struggles mentally and I had the last straw with her refusal to get help... Anyway I'm back at the drawing board for the system. Right now I have the board, some of the water cooling parts, fans, ram, sound card and a few other small bits. I also have a CPU but its not the one I want to use. I ether want to get a 1.4ghz Piii-s or a 66fsb celly. I can't justify the cost of the 1.4ghz chip so I'll find a older celly. As for a GPU I wanted to get a 460mx but once more I can't find one for a good price aside from one with a green PCB that's over seas. So I'm thinking a mx440 or a GF2 I also still need to get a scsi card and drives and blocks for the drives. I'll be buying a GPU by the end of the week so I should have to system powering on by the end of next week?
EDIT: I think I found the perfect GPU for the system, I don't want to give a way what it is just yet. I put a bid on it, but its listed wrong so I don't want to give it away.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 15, 2022 8:25:09 GMT -5
OK well this sucks but was expected, I got snipped on the card I was bidding on. That happens a lot anymore. If you were wondering what the card was, it was a GF256 DDR and it was miss listed as a GF2 GTS.
So back to looking for a GF2 ultra/pro or a mx460.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 15, 2022 11:49:55 GMT -5
Today is a grate day. I was looking for a higher end GF2 or mx440/460 and came by this beauty of a card.
i.ibb.co/kBLTs1d/s-l1600.jpg i.ibb.co/ZTThnQm/2s-l1600.jpgIts a mx440 from PixelView according to the seller, given its layout/PCB and use of that looks like Samsung DDR BGA ram I'm betting it will OC rather well. |
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Post by austin86 on Jul 19, 2022 10:57:44 GMT -5
Part 33: I'm broke lol. So the guy I get most of my old blocks from had a old water cool heatkiller Hdd block. It only fits two drives so I will need to find a second one latter on if I wanted to use 4 drives in raid. But two SCSI drives in raid 0 should do. The nice thing about this block is that is has a steel shell with dampers so the old loud SCSI drives should be not a loud. Sellers photos. i.ibb.co/PZ8TmVP/s-l1600.jpgi.ibb.co/HzY4bhh/s-l16001.jpgThe block was not cheap, it hurt the wallet TBH. But I will need it given how hot SCSI drives run. |
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Post by austin86 on Jul 20, 2022 9:03:23 GMT -5
A small update, I chose to go with Maxtor Atlas SCSI drives, I know they are a bit new for a 440bx system but technically the mx440 is too. However both the Maxtor Atlas and mx440 are based on older products, the mx440 is more or less a GF2 and the Maxtor Atlas's are updated Quantum Atlas drive so they're kinda right for the build lol. The good thing about the Maxtor Atlas's is the newer better motor barrings they use witch is why I chose them. Older Quantum drives are supper loud and hot from shot bearings and the high pinched grinding sound are not the funniest thing to deal with.
I have yet to buy the drives and I'm still debating on a SCSI card.
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Post by Vinster on Jul 20, 2022 19:53:58 GMT -5
welcome to the club.. lol
Vin
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Post by austin86 on Jul 21, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -5
welcome to the club.. lol
Vin
Yeah haha, after shipping and what not I spent about 150$ on the mx440 and hdd block. They were both over seas so shipping was up there.
After doing a lot of looking and I mean a lot I am unable to find one PCI SCSI raid card with a brown/yellow/gold PCB so I will have to get something like a Adaptec 2100S. I did find a few scsi cards with brown/yellow/gold PCB but they were all non raid cards. I wanted one with a matching PCB so that the whole system was brown/yellow/gold or what ever color you call it.
And after doing more looking into it, only the Maxtor Atlas 15k II have FDB. So it looks like I'll be getting the Maxtor Atlas 15k II drives. And it looks like 68 pin version of the drive is kinda rare so I might have to get 80 pin drives with adapters. Here is a review of the drive I'm thinking of getting. www.storagereview.com/review/maxtor-atlas-15k-iiI'll likely get 2 of the 37gb model, having one platter sould make it a tick faster, cooler and less loud.
I'm not looking forward to buying the hdds lol, SCSI drives are pricey.
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Post by austin86 on Jul 26, 2022 9:17:08 GMT -5
Part 33: The ol switcheroo.
So I found two Maxtor Atlas 15k II drives on ebay for 19.99 etch, I was like heck yeah I'll buy that, only to receive two Maxtor Atlas 15k I drives with the old ball bearing motors, and shot no less...
Anyway I'I found a few other two Maxtor Atlas 15k II drives on ebay, they cost more but at lest I have drives now. That just leaves a scsi card, cable and 80 pin to 68 pin adapter.
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Post by austin86 on Aug 1, 2022 8:08:45 GMT -5
I found out the OZC PSU I used to strip the nickle off the x58 block has a dead 5v rail. The second a load is put on it the volts drop to 0. Even adjustment the voltage adjustment dial does nothing. I'm not sire what happen as the PSU was working fine after I striped the plating. Anyway looks like I'll need a new PSU. Anyway I put some newer better thermal compound on the GPU and some stick on heatsink on the ram and fetts. How ever I forgot to take a photo after putting the stick on sinks on. i.ibb.co/ftHsPCM/IMG-0563.jpgi.ibb.co/X2B4XGb/IMG-0564.jpgi.ibb.co/VSG0yQp/IMG-0565.jpgi.ibb.co/XFnBBQb/IMG-0566.jpg |
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they are in series I have never seen anyone do Parallel plumbing also drains and vents are they really needed.
they are in series I have never seen anyone do Parallel plumbing also drains and vents are they really needed.