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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 17, 2021 15:42:04 GMT -5
Just done a load of Celeron 430 Runs Conroe-L and Benchmate uploaded my results to Celeron 430M laptop section now i have to go through and remove and reupload each and eveyone.
Also totaly doesnt like old HW will error out on R15/R20 if cpu is slow like these celerons so i waited 40 mins for a bench for nothing.
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 17, 2021 16:05:13 GMT -5
Can't delete them is there anyone that can , it wasn't my fault , damn benchmates
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 17, 2021 16:07:06 GMT -5
Captains can no longer delete scores. You have to ask Legg in the forum.
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 17, 2021 16:10:08 GMT -5
Tried uploading the results manually and they still show up as Celeron 430M
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 17, 2021 16:10:10 GMT -5
Either that or just leave them. They can "catch" the shit themselves then.
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 17, 2021 16:24:11 GMT -5
Yeah they make there program to be anti-cheat but it's fallen flat on its face here clearly. Going to skip past the celerons and move to E1xxx Celeron dual cores
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Post by mat on Jan 21, 2021 5:03:57 GMT -5
I have no problem to take the blame for my bugs, but this is clearly an issue of HWBOT. BenchMate shows the detected CPU in the result dialog. The parsed name and the raw name (CPUID, since BenchMate 0.10.6). And we already established via Discord that BenchMate doesn't add the "M".
The big problem here and in many other cases like this is the HWBOT submission API. I've been working with it since the integration of HWBOT into GPUPI and it has many quirks. It seems like moderators have to add hardware to the submission API manually. So even if the CPU for example is listed in the normal HWBOT database, it does not mean that you can upload it with the same name to the submission API. These seem to be two different databases according my mails with Frederick two years ago. This is without doubt a conceptional flaw, so I'm not very surprised that this is error-prone.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 21, 2021 12:14:12 GMT -5
Welcome to the forums Mat!!
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Post by mat on Jan 21, 2021 14:41:41 GMT -5
Thanks!
Wanted to get an account for ages as I'm skimming through some topics every now and then.
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 21, 2021 15:11:21 GMT -5
Welcome to W9 Mat. Please do not take this wrong, but why are you here ?
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 21, 2021 15:36:04 GMT -5
yeah my bad was on HWbot side and not benchmates. it was clear after doing some other things such as HWBot x265
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Post by antinomy on Jan 21, 2021 20:42:43 GMT -5
BenchMate shows the detected CPU in the result dialog. The parsed name and the raw name (CPUID, since BenchMate 0.10.6). And we already established via Discord that BenchMate doesn't add the "M". The big problem here and in many other cases like this is the HWBOT submission API. I've been working with it since the integration of HWBOT into GPUPI and it has many quirks. Well, manual submission should work anyway? Like the x265 does. Also, May, since you're here - does Benchmate have any specific requirements? I've installed it on Win7 x64 Pro and the thing doesn't even launch - just completes "verifying installation" during startup and then just crashes, no error messages. I've installed the offline version with all requirements (KB and so on). Installation went fine. Any specific thing it needs - .NET, JAVA, Visual C++? Need it to run Cine20.
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 22, 2021 7:43:23 GMT -5
BenchMate shows the detected CPU in the result dialog. The parsed name and the raw name (CPUID, since BenchMate 0.10.6). And we already established via Discord that BenchMate doesn't add the "M". The big problem here and in many other cases like this is the HWBOT submission API. I've been working with it since the integration of HWBOT into GPUPI and it has many quirks. Well, manual submission should work anyway? Like the x265 does. Also, May, since you're here - does Benchmate have any specific requirements? I've installed it on Win7 x64 Pro and the thing doesn't even launch - just completes "verifying installation" during startup and then just crashes, no error messages. I've installed the offline version with all requirements (KB and so on). Installation went fine. Any specific thing it needs - .NET, JAVA, Visual C++? Need it to run Cine20. I have to wait 2-4 mins after install till the application will even launch. If u reboot have to wait 2-4 mins also, after that it works . Didn't want to run on my socket 939 system at all
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 22, 2021 11:02:00 GMT -5
I refuse to use Benchmate on W7.
Testing with PiFast near stability edge, PiFast by its self will pass runs more often then using benchmate which seems to make the bench more unstable because its using resources.
Since W7 does not have RTC issues like W8 and up, theres no reason to install this on your W7 operating system.
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Post by Vinster on Jan 22, 2021 23:14:29 GMT -5
BenchMate shows the detected CPU in the result dialog. The parsed name and the raw name (CPUID, since BenchMate 0.10.6). And we already established via Discord that BenchMate doesn't add the "M". The big problem here and in many other cases like this is the HWBOT submission API. I've been working with it since the integration of HWBOT into GPUPI and it has many quirks. Well, manual submission should work anyway? Like the x265 does. Also, May, since you're here - does Benchmate have any specific requirements? I've installed it on Win7 x64 Pro and the thing doesn't even launch - just completes "verifying installation" during startup and then just crashes, no error messages. I've installed the offline version with all requirements (KB and so on). Installation went fine. Any specific thing it needs - .NET, JAVA, Visual C++? Need it to run Cine20. in windows 7 you don't need benchmate for r20, you just have to make sure you are using the latest version.
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Post by antinomy on Jan 22, 2021 23:16:53 GMT -5
in windows 7 you don't need benchmate for r20, you just have to make sure you are using the latest version.
Vin
Thanks for the reply! I've meant R23 too many Cinebenches recently
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Post by Vinster on Jan 22, 2021 23:26:46 GMT -5
ah, r23 and win7 don't play nice. it's not a BM issue. Jon and Bones were struggling with that one the last few weeks. Seems like the install is looking for ARM dll's... they can chime in. I think they gave up and just ran it in win 8.1 or higher. Vin
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Post by Vinster on Jan 22, 2021 23:33:31 GMT -5
mat, welcome to Warp9. Don't be a stranger.
Vin
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 23, 2021 0:40:50 GMT -5
It had something to do with running it on Mac Arm OS or some shit. So the benchmark is the same render, probably different point algorithm and supports ARM now.
Gave up. I just don't run it on W7. I really don't feel like trying to find a way to make it work, I already don't fancy the render picture much. It has no "techiness" to it. lol. (OCD maybe?)
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Post by antinomy on Jan 23, 2021 6:03:17 GMT -5
Vin, thanks for the info about Win7! Will try 10. But the problem is not with Cine, I can't even load BM at all, not speaking of running any tests from it. Though I think I should shift to 10 with this one.
O.K. I've reinstalled Benchmate. No longer does it kick out an error window, it just quits after showing "Verifying installation" text And looks like I need it for Y-cruncher too now.
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 23, 2021 10:09:08 GMT -5
Im getting Hpet errors with BM with some very long r20 and r15 runs on really slow LGA 775 stuff even tho the CPU is stable and not throttling. results become invalid and cant upload them
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 23, 2021 10:18:00 GMT -5
Im getting Hpet errors with BM with some very long r20 and r15 runs on really slow LGA 775 stuff even tho the CPU is stable and not throttling. results become invalid and cant upload them Wait wait wait. What operating system are you using with socket 775?
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Post by georgekokovinis on Jan 23, 2021 10:37:16 GMT -5
Folks,
Benchmate DOES NOT SUCK. Mat, has done for free an exceptionally good job as a programmer. AT LEAST FROM WHAT I can understand.
The problem with Benchmate is the use of it on older HW. Benchmate performs best under windows 10.
Old HW running on win 7 and older will have issues.
Let's make something very clear here - Benchmate exists because HWBOT does not have any other way to verify the validity of a submission.
As a matter of fact, the implemented rules from HWBOT, are so confusing that new members will and have serious problems understaning what is allowed and what not.
20 years and more of HW generations, OS platforms. Do we really believe ( does HWBOT believe ) that all those can be covered by benchmate ( however good it is - or not ).
The HPET enabled is the whole thing ( basically ) for all this confusion. I am certainly not a programmer.
But I can't believe that there is not a simpler way to verify that HPET is enabled and then allow all the submissions to be done manually the old classic way.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 23, 2021 11:33:04 GMT -5
George, the thread title was a simple mistake. Ash has no intention to hurt Mat's feelings.
There are some realities to the Benchmate program that cannot be ignored or overlooked.
HWBot needs to do it's thing, this is OK. We still have choices and lots of benchmarks and operating systems to pick and choose from.
I've determined anything benchmate does or doesn't do is irrelevant to my needs. I like Legacy hardware and there's plenty of it for benching on.
Long live HWBot.
Long Live Benchmate.
Long Live The Few, The proud, The Warp9 team!!
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 23, 2021 12:40:09 GMT -5
Yeah i didnt mean to hate , was just frustrated with the issues and wanted vent, the issue was on the HWBOT side and not BM so appologies for presuming that. The hardware i was using is old and understandably not supported or guaranteed to run correctly. Hence why i changed the topic title, i like benchmate because i can quickly set up a bench drive and not have to copy over a bunch of software etc etc. I would proably only use it for LGA1156/LGA1366 + AM2+ and up since it currently has issues with all the setups ive tried it on older than those. BM doesnt seem to take any noticable performace hit from what ive studied so far, actualy my results seem a bit better proably due to it letting you set realtime priority.
I think its a step in the right direction for competitive OC because with anything competitive there is always cheats and people who think they can manipulate results for fame, cash or whatever they do it for.
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 23, 2021 12:40:41 GMT -5
Im getting Hpet errors with BM with some very long r20 and r15 runs on really slow LGA 775 stuff even tho the CPU is stable and not throttling. results become invalid and cant upload them Wait wait wait. What operating system are you using with socket 775? Windows 7 Pro 64 Latest Patch
does not do it on CPUs that are faster like q9550 , core2duo with heavy oc
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Jan 23, 2021 13:13:09 GMT -5
Wait wait wait. What operating system are you using with socket 775? Windows 7 Pro 64 Latest Patch
does not do it on CPUs that are faster like q9550 , core2duo with heavy oc
There are no requirements to Use BenchMate with W7 on socket 775. Just run the Cinebench benchmarks without Benchmate and you'll be good.
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Post by Vinster on Jan 23, 2021 13:54:50 GMT -5
one thing I like about BM is all the base benches are bundled with it. makes it easy
Vin
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Post by Ashley98 on Jan 23, 2021 14:37:13 GMT -5
Windows 7 Pro 64 Latest Patch
does not do it on CPUs that are faster like q9550 , core2duo with heavy oc
There are no requirements to Use BenchMate with W7 on socket 775. Just run the Cinebench benchmarks without Benchmate and you'll be good. Yeah i know i just wanted to run BM so i could sub in the BM R15 sub. since they have r15 and r15 with benchmate
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Post by Mr.Scott on Jan 23, 2021 14:42:18 GMT -5
Folks, Benchmate DOES NOT SUCK. Mat, has done for free an expectionally good job as a programmer. AT LEAST FROM WHAT I can understand. The problem with Benchmate is the use of it on older HW. Benchmate performs best under windows 10. Old HW running on win 7 and older will have issues. Let's make something very clear here - Benchmate exists because HWBOT does not have any other way to verify the validity of a submission. As a matter of fact, the implemented rules from HWBOT, are so confusing that new members will and have serious problems understaning what is allowed and what not. 20 years and more of HW generations, OS platforms. Do we really believe ( does HWBOT believe ) that all those can be covered by benchmate ( however good it is - or not ). The HPET enabled is the whole thing ( basically ) for all this confusion. I am certainly not a programmer. But I can't believe that there is not a simpler way to verify that HPET is enabled and then allow all the submissions to be done manually the old classic way. Huge thank you for this.
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