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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 15:57:57 GMT -5
Not sure what the deal is with the voltage discrepancy (between the programs). FYI Its set to 1.335 in the BIOS.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 18, 2020 16:01:14 GMT -5
Get that spiked core under 200F, I think that'd be cool. So your just about 90c give or take .5c maybe. I'd try and drop the load v-core, yes yes, you have more tweaking.
The 8700K I'm running will do the 5ghz at 1.360v at load. Not a stitch less.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 18, 2020 16:02:13 GMT -5
Not sure what the deal is with the voltage discrepancy (between the programs). FYI Its set to 1.335 in the BIOS. Ah you ninja'ed me!! That's the LLC. drop it one click see if that helps maybe?>
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 16:50:44 GMT -5
Here is the one our hour mark at no problem
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Post by MainFramR on Aug 18, 2020 17:57:55 GMT -5
The irony is NOT lost on this statement. That being said, I'll keep on keeping on posting facts and asking questions. If that gets your tidy whiteeeZ in a bunch, so be it. Out of respect for Mr. Scott and others that I know here, I won't tear into your post and let it go. Such a shame too, so much material there for the pickens. Too bad that isn't me. I think you're mixing people up. From this thread... Anyway, yeah, I'm excited to see those results. Run that FPU only test in AIDA for at least an hour...run small FFT in P95 for at least an hour and see what temps are at that point. If you're hitting 212F (I know that is 100C because it's boiling!!! LOL), then the CPU is at it's peak and will start to throttle (assuming no other settings were changed that affect this. Why do you have to limit the load on the GPU... and how do you do that, exactly? Is it a temp thing? Do you enable vsync/frame cap or reduce the power limit? Peace and Love - Ringo EDIT: I see the ss above (takes forever to load... is it just me?). What test did you run in P95? Also, you've hit the limit. I see 212F there (100C) which is the throttling point for the CPU.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 18:14:16 GMT -5
Anyway, yeah, I'm excited to see those results. Run that FPU only test in AIDA for at least an hour...run small FFT in P95 for at least an hour and see what temps are at that point. If you're hitting 212F (I know that is 100C because it's boiling!!! LOL), then the CPU is at it's peak and will start to throttle (assuming no other settings were changed that affect this. Why do you have to limit the load on the GPU... and how do you do that, exactly? Is it a temp thing? Do you enable vsync/frame cap or reduce the power limit? Peace and Love - Ringo EDIT: I see the ss above (takes forever to load... is it just me?). What test did you run in P95? Also, you've hit the limit. I see 212F there (100C) which is the throttling point for the CPU. Yeah, it's about at the limit in prime 95. I shut it down around 1.2 hours. Overkill for my needs. In moving the GPU to the bottom, I've lost fan intake area to the bottom of the case. Right now I have about 1/2" between fans and sound material.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 18:17:03 GMT -5
EDIT: I see the ss above (takes forever to load... is it just me?). What test did you run in P95? Also, you've hit the limit. I see 212F there (100C) which is the throttling point for the CPU. I ran the blend test in P95. Seems like my cooling system is good up to about 200 watts 5.0GHz is good enough for now. And yes, near the limit, I was seeing 80-90*C but prime seems to cycle up and down... wattage tends to go through waves from about 130w up to 200w then back down and so on...
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 18, 2020 18:29:54 GMT -5
*I promised to switch from air cooling (currently running the MSI Core Frozr XL 120) which holds 5GH on the 9600KF no problem Proof, for a stable 5 gig? Because I highly doubt that it's equal to what you're running now. You're better off where you are now.
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Post by MainFramR on Aug 18, 2020 18:30:12 GMT -5
If you can barely run blend (which is the least stressful P95 test, note), you won't be able to run small/smallest FFT (been saying to run that specific P95 test throughout the thread - why you chose blend, we'll never know!) nor FPU only in AIDA in all likelihood. Still, 5 GHz on that silicon is a solid result! Well done... and enjoy that machine now!
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 18, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -5
*I promised to switch from air cooling (currently running the MSI Core Frozr XL 120) which holds 5GH on the 9600KF no problem Proof, for a stable 5 gig? God I hate quoting myself. Still think you did well all points considering.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 19:01:17 GMT -5
Yeah it's a fun little machine. It's this or my z820. That's the core monster, this is all per core performance.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 19:03:53 GMT -5
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 18, 2020 19:10:41 GMT -5
Peace and Love - Ringo EDIT: I see the ss above (takes forever to load... is it just me?). What test did you run in P95? Also, you've hit the limit. I see 212F there (100C) which is the throttling point for the CPU. -GPU fans are very close to sound deadening foam. (meaning fans cannot pull a large amount of air through the cooler due to interference) -Prime was run in blend mode -I use IMGBB for screenshots, they have been a little slow lately I think they want me to upgrade to a paid account.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 12:06:23 GMT -5
Yeah it's a fun little machine. It's this or my z820. That's the core monster, this is all per core performance. Speaking about per core performance, this is the best I could do on the CPUz benchmark. Yes, I am well aware that the result needs to be taken with a grain of salt, so it's merely a rough interpretation of overall performance.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 19, 2020 12:31:50 GMT -5
Them good benching clocks there!
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 13:52:03 GMT -5
Proof, for a stable 5 gig? God I hate quoting myself. Still think you did well all points considering. Thanks, but....
This comment is so bizarre in the first place.... never once did orient my build concept to include a 95w CPU TDP precedent. I'm honestly not sure why you posted that particular comment in the first place... what was your logic on that?
Dont put the horse before the cart... You also said the loop would heat soak and thus get overwhelmed very quickly, and that did not happen (check temps in below run, they leveled off)…
These are the elemental concepts related to overclocking... you build a cooling system to match the hardware requirements. Hence I built a 200 W TDP liquid cooling system to account for the increased TDP for the 5.0GHz overclock.
Any competent over-clocker knows that when you add voltage and clock speed, stock TDP goes out the window. It would be ludicrous to think you can use the stock TDP as a guide for overclocking your rig. Also keep in mind this result was obtained with the side cover ON the case, and a higher voltage than necessary Never once did orient my build concept to include a 95w CPU TDP precedent. You add voltage and clock speed, the chip will run hotter. This is a very simple concept that one would need to understand if one wanted to overclock and actually be successful
It's like saying your street tires wont be enough to hold traction at that level of horse power... yeah *****obviously ***** you know that I know that going into the project you will need drag radials for a drag car. Hence, I built the cooling system designed to handle the load of a 200 watt overclocked CPU, because I had already calculated the rough processor TDP requirements necessary for the 5.0GHz overclock. In other words, the cooling system was built to account for a 200 w CPU, not a 95 W CPU. In other OTHER words, that makes your "statement" irrelevant to this build because that concern had already been addressed properly.
lol It's a moot point!
*************************************************On the stock side of the spectrum w/ tuned fans : I can run the fans on low including the CPU fan on 500 rpm limit and still turbo up to 4.6GHz and it does not thermal throttle. Given the same torture test administered to the 5.0 GHz static overclock, with a 500rpm noctua cooling fan, and stock CPU settings, temps hold to about 130*F (54*C) In the stock configuration, the rig idles at about 31-32 *C (that's 95-100*F range) These are all indications that the rig has a very competent liquid cooling system, and is well suited for the task of cooling a stock OR overclocked 6 core coffee lake chip.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 14:46:53 GMT -5
The irony is NOT lost on this statement. That being said, I'll keep on keeping on posting facts and asking questions. If that gets your tidy whiteeeZ in a bunch, so be it. Out of respect for Mr. Scott and others that I know here, I won't tear into your post and let it go. Such a shame too, so much material there for the pickens. Yes, this is the crux of the situation. We all know you have a stubborn persistency or need to critique other people's builds. Problem is -- that's super easy. Post your system specs and I will have a field day dismembering your hardware / layout / case choices. And that's really the bottom line. You start from the bottom and work your way up verses me who starts at the top, taking a natural inherent optimistic non judgmental approach to peoples hardware choices. My gosh --- There is a reason you go to the hardware store and see different colors of paint or different lengths of wood on the shelf, no?. Golly! And after all that, not sure what you can do to tear down a six core coffee lake rig that runs a reliable 5GHz overclock, with a 512gb 970 PRO NVMe drive, an MSI MEG Z390 ACE motherboard, and Patriot Viper 16GB CL 19 @ 4133MHz memory kit. As well as HEATKILLERs best copper waterblock on the market + Antec High Current 900w PSU and cooled by some of the best Noctua fans in the business. Did I miss something? Oh yeah, it has an MSI RX 5700 XT GPU under the hood, and in regards to audio, one of the best sound cards/controllers on the market in terms of quality and clarity. It also has built in wifi with a very strong connection, even when far way from the access point or separated by many walls. And that's right, I almost forgot, it's cooled by a Freezemod PWM pump using high quality EKWB compression fittings and features a massive four bay alphacool reservoir. Plus it still retains the mid 2000s styling in a big way, making for an ideal sleeper. Don't forget, we are not done with this rig. I will be adding a second alphacool radiator down the road.
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Post by Mr.Scott on Aug 19, 2020 16:48:21 GMT -5
How about a X265 4K bench run at 5 gig?
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Post by dr4g00n on Aug 19, 2020 16:51:03 GMT -5
IMO that rad needs a pair of 190+CFM Delta's, should help keep it cool and add to that mid 2000's vibe by helping it achieve liftoff.
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Post by MainFramR on Aug 19, 2020 19:17:43 GMT -5
I thought we were leaving this behind us...? I'm not sure who is tearing down your clocks, but that CPU is expected to reach 5 GHz. In fact, Silicon lottery found 90% of 9700Ks can reach 5 GHz at 1.35V with their testing (which you may or may not pass temps wise, not sure...I don't recall exactly everything they do, but it's with a 2x120 AIO and uses Realbench and something else I think). You did it with a double thick small rad... that's awesome (called that too)! 5.3 GHz is solid for the short CPUz test too! Also, I'm glad you are happy with its WiFi as are others using the exact same Wifi on different boards are too (though, what that has to do with anything... no clue). My guy... good job. Pat on the back again for the end result. If anything surprised me out of this build, it was that loop plumbing works as well as well as it seems. I was worried about that pump spitting into two buckets and getting everything around the loop. I just wonder how much more, if any, flow rate would increase (and less stress on the pump perhaps not being fed from a straw) if it was plumbed properly. I doubt it would matter much though. Again, good job. Kick back, do something with it like........ play a game enjoy it instead of trying to (curiously) defend it. Now, if you want to tear down my system... please feel free! i9 7960X (@4.5 GHz, all c/t AVX offset -3, 1.185V - daily driver, 4.7-4.9 GHz benchable 16c/16t on room temp air). Kuplex Kryos NEXT CPU block 3x120mm radiator w/3 Yate Loon High set on low (static) EK Tube res thing (150ml) EK pump of some sort.. looks like yours. Asus ROG Rampage XI Omega 4x8GB GSkill Trident Z DDR4 3600 CL16 EVGA RTX 2080 Super (Hybrid) Acer Predator 28" 2560x1440 144/165Hz Monitor + 28" Acer 75Hz secondary (this is a work machine as well as play) 2x M.2 NVMe drives (OS / Games, DL and processing) 1x 2.5" SATA SSD (Games backup) 640GB WD Caviar Black (warm storage... music, some movies) 2TB WD Caviar Green (cold storage, backup) 750W EVGA Supernova G3
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 19, 2020 20:59:58 GMT -5
The irony is NOT lost on this statement. That being said, I'll keep on keeping on posting facts and asking questions. If that gets your tidy whiteeeZ in a bunch, so be it. Out of respect for Mr. Scott and others that I know here, I won't tear into your post and let it go. Such a shame too, so much material there for the pickens. Yes, this is the crux of the situation. We all know you have a stubborn persistency or need to critique other people's builds. Problem is -- that's super easy. Post your system specs and I will have a field day dismembering your hardware / layout / case choices. And that's really the bottom line. You start from the bottom and work your way up verses me who starts at the top, taking a natural inherent optimistic non judgmental approach to peoples hardware choices. My gosh --- There is a reason you go to the hardware store and see different colors of paint or different lengths of wood on the shelf, no?. Golly! And after all that, not sure what you can do to tear down a six core coffee lake rig that runs a reliable 5GHz overclock, with a 512gb 970 PRO NVMe drive, an MSI MEG Z390 ACE motherboard, and Patriot Viper 16GB CL 19 @ 4133MHz memory kit. As well as HEATKILLERs best copper waterblock on the market + Antec High Current 900w PSU and cooled by some of the best Noctua fans in the business. Did I miss something? Oh yeah, it has an MSI RX 5700 XT GPU under the hood, and in regards to audio, one of the best sound cards/controllers on the market in terms of quality and clarity. It also has built in wifi with a very strong connection, even when far way from the access point or separated by many walls. And that's right, I almost forgot, it's cooled by a Freezemod PWM pump using high quality EKWB compression fittings and features a massive four bay alphacool reservoir. Plus it still retains the mid 2000s styling in a big way, making for an ideal sleeper. Don't forget, we are not done with this rig. I will be adding a second alphacool radiator down the road. You asked for the critiques. Anytime you post your specs with a picture, expect it. And the ideas thoughts and suggestions aren't without cause. Might lead you in the right direction. So take the constructive criticism and learn from it. We aren't always right, but together become more educated through good communication. Worry not, I see the flaws in your stuff too. But nothing you couldn't live with no doubt. But how to let someone down who's just as proud as the next guy?? This team is proud indeed. Now, with some hwbot submissions, you'll have earned your placing. So have at it. Just needs to be stable enough to pass a bench. That's all I care about personally. But that's my rig lol.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 22:01:50 GMT -5
I thought we were leaving this behind us...? I'm not sure who is tearing down your clocks, but that CPU is expected to reach 5 GHz. In fact, Silicon lottery found 90% of 9700Ks can reach 5 GHz at 1.35V with their testing (which you may or may not pass temps wise, not sure...I don't recall exactly everything they do, but it's with a 2x120 AIO and uses Realbench and something else I think). You did it with a double thick small rad... that's awesome (called that too)! 5.3 GHz is solid for the short CPUz test too! Also, I'm glad you are happy with its WiFi as are others using the exact same Wifi on different boards are too (though, what that has to do with anything... no clue). My guy... good job. Pat on the back again for the end result. If anything surprised me out of this build, it was that loop plumbing works as well as well as it seems. I was worried about that pump spitting into two buckets and getting everything around the loop. I just wonder how much more, if any, flow rate would increase (and less stress on the pump perhaps not being fed from a straw) if it was plumbed properly. I doubt it would matter much though. Again, good job. Kick back, do something with it like........ play a game enjoy it instead of trying to (curiously) defend it. Now, if you want to tear down my system... please feel free! i9 7960X (@4.5 GHz, all c/t AVX offset -3, 1.185V - daily driver, 4.7-4.9 GHz benchable 16c/16t on room temp air). Kuplex Kryos NEXT CPU block 3x120mm radiator w/3 Yate Loon High set on low (static) EK Tube res thing (150ml) EK pump of some sort.. looks like yours. 4x8GB GSkill Trident Z DDR4 3600 CL16 EVGA RTX 2080 Super (Hybrid) Acer Predator 28" 2560x1440 144/165Hz Monitor + 28" Acer 75Hz secondary (this is a work machine as well as play) 2x M.2 NVMe drives (OS / Games, DL and processing) 1x 2.5" SATA SSD (Games backup) 640GB WD Caviar Black (warm storage... music, some movies) 2TB WD Caviar Green (cold storage, backup) 750W EVGA Supernova G3 Thank you. Just one quick question before I "go to work", what was the year you assembled this build? I want to make historical comparisons here and not just cherry pick 5.3 turbo CPUs from current tech, and say, "look, this CPU is way better than what you have under the hood!"
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 22:06:28 GMT -5
Yes, this is the crux of the situation. We all know you have a stubborn persistency or need to critique other people's builds. Problem is -- that's super easy. Post your system specs and I will have a field day dismembering your hardware / layout / case choices. And that's really the bottom line. You start from the bottom and work your way up verses me who starts at the top, taking a natural inherent optimistic non judgmental approach to peoples hardware choices. My gosh --- There is a reason you go to the hardware store and see different colors of paint or different lengths of wood on the shelf, no?. Golly! And after all that, not sure what you can do to tear down a six core coffee lake rig that runs a reliable 5GHz overclock, with a 512gb 970 PRO NVMe drive, an MSI MEG Z390 ACE motherboard, and Patriot Viper 16GB CL 19 @ 4133MHz memory kit. As well as HEATKILLERs best copper waterblock on the market + Antec High Current 900w PSU and cooled by some of the best Noctua fans in the business. Did I miss something? Oh yeah, it has an MSI RX 5700 XT GPU under the hood, and in regards to audio, one of the best sound cards/controllers on the market in terms of quality and clarity. It also has built in wifi with a very strong connection, even when far way from the access point or separated by many walls. And that's right, I almost forgot, it's cooled by a Freezemod PWM pump using high quality EKWB compression fittings and features a massive four bay alphacool reservoir. Plus it still retains the mid 2000s styling in a big way, making for an ideal sleeper. Don't forget, we are not done with this rig. I will be adding a second alphacool radiator down the road. You asked for the critiques. Anytime you post your specs with a picture, expect it. And the ideas thoughts and suggestions aren't without cause. Might lead you in the right direction. So take the constructive criticism and learn from it. We aren't always right, but together become more educated through good communication. Worry not, I see the flaws in your stuff too. But nothing you couldn't live with no doubt. But how to let someone down who's just as proud as the next guy?? This team is proud indeed. Now, with some hwbot submissions, you'll have earned your placing. So have at it. Just needs to be stable enough to pass a bench. That's all I care about personally. But that's my rig lol. I understand and will do my best to come here simply to learn, grow and share in knowledge regarding computer systems. I am interested in positive relationships. Sometimes I tend to be to subjective and take things personally and perhaps dont let them roll off my back like Teflon Don aka Donald Trump. Please keep this information in hand, in most cases I am over reacting to something petty. But in some cases I am responding appropriately.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 22:09:45 GMT -5
How about a X265 4K bench run at 5 gig? challenge accepted. Going to run my 16 core z820 first. EDIT: Cannot get HPET working on my z820 and no settings for it in the bios but I have a near photographic memory of seeing that setting buried somewhere... Also cannot enable just in the OS alone. I tried the commands anyway and it didn't work. So I have to download version 2.1.0 which doesn't have that mandate built in in order to benchmark....
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 19, 2020 22:43:12 GMT -5
How about a X265 4K bench run at 5 gig? challenge accepted. Going to run my 16 core z820 first. EDIT: Cannot get HPET working on my z820 and no settings for it in the bios but I have a near photographic memory of seeing that setting buried somewhere... Also cannot enable just in the OS alone. I tried the commands anyway and it didn't work. So I have to download version 2.1.0 which doesn't have that mandate built in in order to benchmark.... Will this work? Good luck in that challenge.
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Post by MainFramR on Aug 19, 2020 22:46:11 GMT -5
Before you 'go to work', lol.... I'm going to go get 'primed' for this one! 2.5 years ago this was build was started. A 7900X died by the hands of a motherboard and was replaced by the vendor with the current chip (long story) and an MSI X299 flagship. The mobo was changed to the Omega when it was released. I also went down from a 2080Ti FE to 2080 Super Hybrid because, noise. And the games I play (PUBG, COD, FS2020, 2K20 Golf (Friday), Fortnite (with the kids, lol)... I can reach 144 FPS with no to few IQ sacrifices in those titles. Truth be told, I'll likely be selling this thing sooner than later. I've been looking for either the 10980X (18c/36t that will run at 5GHz OC'd) for months or just selling the mobo/cpu/ram combo and dropping down to the 10900K. I don't need all the cores and threads.... nor 5 Ghz to accomplish my goals. That said, for me, time is money so getting things done faster is the name of the game and with many of those things and streaming for my son sometimes, moar cores ruled.
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 19, 2020 22:49:28 GMT -5
Jesus 36 threads. Just to think that may become mainstream on DDR5 platforms.
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 22:54:13 GMT -5
Now, if you want to tear down my system... please feel free! i9 7960X (@4.5 GHz, all c/t AVX offset -3, 1.185V - daily driver, 4.7-4.9 GHz benchable 16c/16t on room temp air). Kuplex Kryos NEXT CPU block 3x120mm radiator w/3 Yate Loon High set on low (static) EK Tube res thing (150ml) EK pump of some sort.. looks like yours. 4x8GB GSkill Trident Z DDR4 3600 CL16 EVGA RTX 2080 Super (Hybrid) Acer Predator 28" 2560x1440 144/165Hz Monitor + 28" Acer 75Hz secondary (this is a work machine as well as play) 2x M.2 NVMe drives (OS / Games, DL and processing) 1x 2.5" SATA SSD (Games backup) 640GB WD Caviar Black (warm storage... music, some movies) 2TB WD Caviar Green (cold storage, backup) 750W EVGA Supernova G3 I just love this kind of stuff … Your processor choice is not ideal. And before I continue I want to preface this discussion. Any overclock on 10 + core CPU in the last five years and onward is really not helping anything and is really just jacking up your electricity bill (unless you are benchmarking - if you are please exclude this observation). Today's processors are supremely more confident and competent when left alone in stock trim. If you have a static overclock of 4.9 GHz that's impressive and all, but just so you know for general use you will have a much more comfortable experience of relaxing and letting the chip do the OC for you I know, it's bringing an end to the golden years of overclocking, which is truly a shame. You can also see its impact on the forums - many computer performance forums in this day and age are basically "dead" or simply exist in a zombified state, as people have stepped away from the novel concept of pushing a chip past its limits and leave that in the capable hands of Intel and AMD instead. We must face a reality where CPU performance is best left to the manufactures of the chips themselves. Our margins as enthusiast overclockers are getting thinner and thinner. Back to poor CPU choice.... If you were going more for per core performance, I would have chosen the Core i9-10920X, which, yes, does have 4 less cores (still, its a beast at 12C/24T) BUT it has a much higher stock operating frequency (2.8GHz vs 3.5GHz) and higher max turbo speed (4.8GHz)… but it was released a year after the fact ... so if we want to talk something better from intel from the same year, that would be the 18 core / 36 thread i9-7980XE, which can be overclocked nearly identically or perhaps even higher than your chip, and has two extra cores and a 4 extra threads that you are missing out on. Had you waited just over a year, you could have gone with something like the i9-9990XE. That would have gotten you 100mhz above your max of 4.9 without even overclocking! fixed
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Post by stormchaser on Aug 19, 2020 23:00:43 GMT -5
challenge accepted. Going to run my 16 core z820 first. EDIT: Cannot get HPET working on my z820 and no settings for it in the bios but I have a near photographic memory of seeing that setting buried somewhere... Also cannot enable just in the OS alone. I tried the commands anyway and it didn't work. So I have to download version 2.1.0 which doesn't have that mandate built in in order to benchmark.... Will this work? Good luck in that challenge. No dice... stay tuned for results... not sure if they can be compared across versions... thanks though That's when overclocking gets fun.. when you let your machine do the talking for you. It's a lot like going to the drag strip. ED, I think you have me beat in multi thread anyway but do you have a screen shot of your current chip after benching via CPU z? Curious to see how ivy bridge holds up against Skylake X. Maybe also a 4K x265 result for me?
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Post by ShrimpBrime on Aug 19, 2020 23:01:18 GMT -5
Jesus all those chips mentioned within 100mhz of each other are performing within 2% performance difference lol. Even my 8700K (14nm ++ - a plus then add some +++'s here and there, 5ghz they all nearly the same IPC lol. 7700K is no slouch at 5ghz even.
It's like peeling the skin off a fuckin apple or something.
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